Here's another early MPC mystery. This 2214 Girder Bridge has all the markings of Mt. Clemens MPC production, including a Banner Box insert showing the exact bridge included. It's a normal gray plastic Lionel Girder Bridge, but instead of saying Lionel like all the other Early MPC bridges, even the ones made of leftover Postwar parts, this one says US Steel on it. And it's not made of postwar parts. The base is stamped Mt. Clemens and the sides cary the MPC Logo molded into the plastic. The bridge is neither screwed together nor snapped together, it has been riveted to the frame and comes preassembled in the box. It is clearly Genuine Lionel Production. And yet, no book I've found to date, neither Greenberg nor Doyle, makes mention of this variation of the bridge. And I've only seen one other listed for sale online. Again, why? Are there just so few of these bridges that none have been recorded? Any info or speculation would be appreciated. Thanks Everyone!
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Yup, that's one of the two early versions of the "banner-boxed" 2214 bridge. The other, of course, being the "knocked-down" version that required assembly in the smaller box.
Truthfully, there are a ton of early MPC items -- locomotives, rolling stock, accessories, sets/outfits, one-of-a-kinds, etc. that have never been properly documented. Over the years, we've figured out most of them, but the answers on others are still elusive. As it sounds like you're learning, there's a bunch of interesting discoveries to be made.
The sad part is that it's been 30 years since the last in-depth Greenberg book (I proof-read it as a teenager!) was published covering the early 1970's. Unfortunately, I tend to discount the Doyle book due to some credibility issues. Not much else has been published in the intervening years, although I've contemplated putting a few things together for the TCA Quarterly.
TRW
NICE bridge!
@PaperTRW posted:Yup, that's one of the two early versions of the "banner-boxed" 2214 bridge. The other, of course, being the "knocked-down" version that required assembly in the smaller box.
Truthfully, there are a ton of early MPC items -- locomotives, rolling stock, accessories, sets/outfits, one-of-a-kinds, etc. that have never been properly documented. Over the years, we've figured out most of them, but the answers on others are still elusive. As it sounds like you're learning, there's a bunch of interesting discoveries to be made.
The sad part is that it's been 30 years since the last in-depth Greenberg book (I proof-read it as a teenager!) was published covering the early 1970's. Unfortunately, I tend to discount the Doyle book due to some credibility issues. Not much else has been published in the intervening years, although I've contemplated putting a few things together for the TCA Quarterly.
TRW
This is a fantastic reply! Thank you!
John,
Interesting find, thanks for sharing!
@EMD posted:John,
Interesting find, thanks for sharing!
No problem!
@Tinplate Art posted:NICE bridge!
Thank you!
@PaperTRW posted:.. I tend to discount the Doyle book due to some credibility issues...
Weren't some of Ambrose's "ringers" carried over into Doyle's books?
@ADCX Rob posted:Weren't some of Ambrose's "ringers" carried over into Doyle's books?
Nevermind. I just saw your response in the "The Lost 8023 MPC Alco" thread.
Ambrose still has collectors trying to hunt down a 2026 with Baldwin Disc wheels.
Hi John,
Being a former US Steel employee I have one of those, too, although mine has been used and I don’t have the box. Attached are photos. I didn’t know they are rare.
I also have a box full of the post-war #214 USS girder bridges with 3 different variations.
Bill T
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@WftTrains posted:
Nice piece! They are indeed hard to find
@ADCX Rob posted:Weren't some of Ambrose's "ringers" carried over into Doyle's books?
Yup. That's apparently what led to the skirmish that ensnared the TCA.
@WftTrains posted:I didn’t know they are rare.
They're not common by any means, but if you wait long enough, they do turn-up.
And judging from the photos above, it looks like they were assembled with both natural brass (John's) and blackened (Bill's) eyelets.
TRW