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Hey Art, do not stop posting please. Always a pleasure to see your posts.

Nothing new for the moment, I am stuck at home and doing some restorations but they are scale models so for today some pictures of Lionel and AF standard gauge on the carpet... some of them have been posted before, sorry for duplicates.

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Have a nice weekend and take care, Daniel

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This was my second major goof on the forum in two days! Maybe I am either not paying enough attention or I am not able to participate in a lucid manner! On my real trains thread, I mis-identified a well know CSX radio frequency as 137.000 instead of the correct 161.370! Time to hang it up? :-( :-(

Art, jeez I'm sorry to do that to you!  I only knew about the station because I remember JKE saying that he had purchased a Marklin Leipzig from overseas and was waiting for delivery.  The forum is better when you are participating.  Fire away!

Art I am gonna join the cry ! Keep your fingers active old chum !

Sheesh ...if I gave up everytime I got something wrong my stay here would have been about 1.3 seconds long LOLOLOL!

Well its been one of those weeks at Casa Fatmanos ... I made a conscious effort to slow spending for the next couple of weeks ... I dont want Tuco the WonderParrot reduced to eating baked beans out of a tin with me Of course as soon as I say that along comes half a dozen things !!!

Bearing in mind my previous "oath of Poverty" I only relented a few times !

I posted a pic to my friend in the Netherlands of the HWN carriages ^^^^ up there... and of course he hits me back with " Guess what I got in a box today?" .........

So yesssssss now the passenger carriages have a lovely baggage car coming to meet them ...

And then in the cruel cruel manner which is the norm of a "dealer" looking fondly on his addict, he brought out the big guns ... sighhhhhhh...

A Kibri ( I think) pre-war ( going by the map ) Destination board !!! Been wanting one of these for ages .. so ... sighhhhhhhhhhhh LOL! ok you can come too !

Oh and then ePay had a KLEINBAHN Transformer/controller at a ridiculous price and cheap local postage  .. so ... sighhhhhhhhhhh.... "Ka-ching!"

OK Tuco the WonderParrot ... grab that tin opener for me will ya ....

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Sharing a can of beans with your feathered companion is perhaps a small sacrifice to obtain those artifacts! Raise a flagon of cheer on a toast of your finds! Prosit!

Awwwww thanks Art

( I have to type this vewwwy quietly , cos if Tuco finds out about the beans coming , she is gonna bite mah fingers orf! I love her greatly but like any "toddler" she is a complete narcissist psychopath ! )

"Whats that ? You want an almond ? ... Coming Dear !!! "

Hi everyone,

There are some really great posts this week, JKE, the Marklin station is just magnificient! Fatman, love your recent haul, and I love tinned beans, especially with a fried egg. Daniel, please stay safe and Carey, you always put together wonderful displays.

As for me, two new items for the week, first is a Marklin Mitropa wagen in teak finish. To be honest don't know much about it, I assume late twentys or early thirties.

The second is a Billerbahn car with three figures, early postwar, love the figures on this especially.

All the best,

Miketg

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Loving that Mitropa Mike

Oh .. I left out the ugly stepchild I also got this weekend on sale in France ... it was listed with a "take me home " price of 20Euro , and with the reasonable shipping to my Great Dutch friend , I could not say no ( again) ...

It is the ugly stepchild repaint of I think a pre-war Louis Roussy tin locomotive , when I say ugly I mean it , Heck even the seller listed it as " Fonctionelle ...Jus de Grenier "

Or " Working ... with Attic ( or barn) Juice "

Here is its pretty side ... like they say , its the inside that counts !

And the sexxy angle to the camera "Instagram worthy" shot

And the plain jane unflattering "before " shot

And in a last ditch effort to win affection ... the pouty "bum" shot

Its a weird one however ... pretty sure the chimney is not right lol ... and also pretty sure its been painted but if so its been taken back to metal many years ago to do it ...

Then again I am no looker either ... and us mutts need to look after each other

Mind you it would look nice in new clothes even though I am loathe to "restore" originals , will wait and see when its in hand ... but maybe worth a pretty up

Well Tinplate fans, Fatman has introduced you to his latest finds,both fabulous like the HWN carriages and the Kirbi destination board and the less fabulous, Louis Roussy engine.  With his opening, I feel I can present my also NOT fabulous Lionel passenger outfit #98 from what appears to be 1925 or1928 or both (It is a mixed bag).  I purchased this outfit at a very reasonable price from photo's (Lesson learned, don't do this ).  It appeared to be the 1925 outfit 98 with a green 253 loco and two green 610 Pullmans and a green 612 observation.  When I got it home and was able to closely examine it I found that the engine has a strap headlight which does date it to NLT 1925  if it is correctly green - OK so far.  Now my loco is also missing one strap light and one pantogaph, which came with it but I have yet installed it.   However the cars I discovered have Type 5b trucks with rectangular support bars to fasten the light pickup which were not introduced until 1928. So the cars and the engine are of a slightly different vintage...well not too serious.  Then comes the big problem,  If you have 1928 trucks and are the 1928 set you can't be green because that is the color from 1925...so you are the wrong color!  You are supposed to be Mojave not Green.  Now the cars and the loco as far as external bodies are concerned are in fine shape ...so I begin to look carefully at the paint.  What I discover after removing the roofs and exposing the interiors to intense inspection is that the inside of the car is (or used to be) ...guess what Mojave!  So the cars have been re-painted green at some point in their life.  Perhaps to match the loco???  So I have a 1925 green loco with strap headlight and 1928 cars that used to be Mojave but have been repainted green.  Well at least the make up of the outfit is OK...outfit 98 with the 253 engine and two 610 Pullmans and a 612 observation was offered from 1925 to 1928.  Its just my parts were not made at the same time and someone decided to match the color.  The cars are lighted as they were supposed to be and one even had a "gift" for me...an ancient Christmas tree light bulb in the socket (you know those old pyramid shaped bulbs with the creases in them...from the strings where if one bulb went out the entire string went dark ). However most of them are missing the "frosted" plastic window inserts.    OBTW the paint job was well done, it is obvious that the trim pieces were removed before painting and they are intact  and the paint is smooth with no runs or over spray, so whoever did it was skilled.  However he did cover over the rubber stamping which should read "The Lionel Lines" in black over the windows. SO....long story!

Here is my 1925 or 1928 Lionel outfit 98 that is the wrong color...WOW you don't get too much worse than that!

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Well the collector in me is horrified...but the operator in me is happy.  I have an early Lionel passenger set that looks fine going around my layout .... even if it is the wrong color...

Don

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@Arne posted:

No, itยดs not Kibri. Made by Beckh, Model No 80, made 1939-1941.



Arne

Oh Oh !  Fred has it as possibly attributed to Kibri in his excellent e-book ... I can see a fight coming LOL ( Fight Fight Fight !!! there can be only one ! )

( however the supplementary info provided awards it to @Arne on a knockout )

Thanks Arne !

@Don McErlean Welcome to the Mongrel Club! ...

Club Charter #1 Matchy Matchy not required ! We love them because of their faults not in spite of them

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Lovely Fox Jamie ! ( Jamie Foxx?)

looking stunning surrounded by all you hard work too !



Couple of cheap and cheerful ones coming this week

A Brimtoy (uk) Royal Scot Loco and tender ( very lightweight mech hiding under all that lovely litho )

And a couple of not too bad bodies which will spruce up a couple of poor abused Hornbys in the collection

British Rail 60199 body 0-4-0

And a No.1 Special Body ... these locos were a step up and had better mechs and trim than the basic Hornby offerings ... A mid point between regular 0-4-0's and their bigger 4-4-2 0r 4-4-4 brothers

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Fatman - Great loco...I note Brimtoy used a "Marx like" trick.  Making the loco look like it had 6 drivers and a complex rod system while hiding your standard 4 wheel motor out of sight.  Marx did that with many of his locos, especially the 1998 switcher series and the E-7 series.  Beautiful lithography and a handsome find.

Jamie Thompson :  I had not heard of the Ron Fox tinplate line before or that they were associated with Hornby.  I was really interested in your mention of the HRCAA...that sounds like a group interested in operating and collecting Hornby.  I am a (very) small but enthusiastic Hornby fan and was wondering if you had any information on that group and if membership might be possible for a "new guy".

Don

Hello Don, joining HRCA is great and the monthly journal is full of informations. I have been a member some years ago.

Here is the link  https://www.hrca.net/

There is also a Facebook private group, very knowledgeable members; you just need to have a Facebook account, I have one just for train groups, just let me know and I will send you the link to join.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1294872377222978/

As we speak Hornby here are three clockwork variations in French liveries of the Bristish Hornby tank loco N2; they dates from around 1935. There is a fourth one that I still have to find in green for the Nord railways.

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@Fatman posted:

Lovely Fox Jamie ! ( Jamie Foxx?)

looking stunning surrounded by all you hard work too !



Couple of cheap and cheerful ones coming this week

A Brimtoy (uk) Royal Scot Loco and tender ( very lightweight mech hiding under all that lovely litho )

And a couple of not too bad bodies which will spruce up a couple of poor abused Hornbys in the collection

British Rail 60199 body 0-4-0

And a No.1 Special Body ... these locos were a step up and had better mechs and trim than the basic Hornby offerings ... A mid point between regular 0-4-0's and their bigger 4-4-2 0r 4-4-4 brothers

Well done Mate. I love the Royal Scott locos. The artwork on the litho is First class. Hard to find in such good condition.

Cheers Jamie

Fatman - Great loco...I note Brimtoy used a "Marx like" trick.  Making the loco look like it had 6 drivers and a complex rod system while hiding your standard 4 wheel motor out of sight.  Marx did that with many of his locos, especially the 1998 switcher series and the E-7 series.  Beautiful lithography and a handsome find.

Jamie Thompson :  I had not heard of the Ron Fox tinplate line before or that they were associated with Hornby.  I was really interested in your mention of the HRCAA...that sounds like a group interested in operating and collecting Hornby.  I am a (very) small but enthusiastic Hornby fan and was wondering if you had any information on that group and if membership might be possible for a "new guy".

Don

Hi Don

The HRCAA is the Australian chapter of the English HRCA. If you like Hornby it may pay to join both as the HRCAA has its own monthly Journal as well. You also get the bonus of articles about Australian brands such as Robilt and Ferris.

Cheers

Jamie

Talking of Hornby No2 Locos. Here are two of Ron Foxโ€™s newer creations. The Twins Atlanta and Mariella. They are slightly smaller than a number two locomotives  and are powered by rebuilt 501 mechs. โ€œMariellaโ€ was made by Ron as a present to my wife for helping compile and edit several collectors guides on the many railway models he made over the years: 07998AE5-9962-44C2-8B93-DDB6A9195A9A

Kind Regards

Jamie

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@FRENCHTRAINS Thanks for showing us your French Hornby No2 Locos. They are very special locos indeed. All the best in finding the green NORD loco - I hope you find one soon!

Thanks @Jamie Thompson,  with some time and luck all is possible.... But finding one of those Ron Fox would be great also, I have never seen one in France and they could be a perfect match with Hornby... you have a nice selection of those rare locos.

Very best, Daniel

Jamie / Daniel :  Thank you both so much for the information on the HRCA and HRCAA I am currently trying to join at least one of them.  I really appreciate your taking the time to give me the information.   Also, Daniel, what great std gauge sets, really liked Std Gauge (or Wide Gauge as our AF friends would say) but I simply ran out of space to show or operate them except occasionally at Christmas around the tree.  I enjoy what I have but have not tried to add to the collection at all in recent years.  OOOPs I forgot a Lionel 211 flat car that my brother found for me at an Ohio train show. This thing, standard gauge from 1926-27, is my only "series 200" car and is about a foot long.  The rest of my Lionel SG is 800 series cars and somewhat smaller.   !  I can't imagine how large a full set of these cars would be, but I would have to set them up in the back yard (or garden).

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Jamie I am really enjoying your pictures of your clockwork layout.  Thanks for posting.  I have a small "collection" of Hornby both the UK Hornby and the French Hornby and really like what you are doing for your layout.  As  a clockwork layout, I have thought some about doing something similar,  a small layout where I could run the Hornby and I have some Distler clockwork as well as some from American Flyer and Marx.  Who knows, maybe some day.

Best regards to all

Don

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Well just to conclude my Saturday afternoon of posting, how about some "HAFNER"....its been awhile since I posted any of these so here are two tankers just to finish up today...(or say..."tanks a lot!" Oh boy is that bad!).

The first is what I believe to be the older and more common,  the silver, black, & red Hafner 1010 tanker.  Hafner often numbered his cars and engines 1010 because (it is said) that was the address of the factory on the street in Chicago.  Who knows.  He did bring out the 1010 loco in 1938 and produced it up through the late 40's although Hafner products are very hard to date.  So this car could have been used to accompany any freight set from 1938 on to about 1949-1950.

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Around 1950 Hafner changed the lithography on the engines and cars and produced the 2000 series engine.  There is a video on the internet claiming to show a "1950 Hafner Freight Set" in operation and the consist contains this orange car.  I believe that this car in this new color was made from 1950-51 up until Hafner sold out to Wyandotte toys in 1956.  In fact it may indeed have been used for a short time after, because Wyandotte just used up old stock that they acquired in the sale until it ran out.  However these post sale cars are usually stamped Wyandotte - Hafner and this car carries no such markings.  So it is likely to have been made 1950-1951 up until about 1956.

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You will note that both cars have what appear to be two black holes to the left and right of the ladder about 3 rungs down from the dome.  These are not physical holes but just circles or big dots in the lithography.  Candidly I have no idea what they are supposed to represent and they appear on both cars in the same place.  Mystery for sure.  

Well anyway, just thought these guys were fun to post, hope you like them.  If anyone has any further data on these cars please let me know.  I have looked at the various web sites, especially Western Division TCA and they have some nice pictures but few dates.

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imageChris,

I love the cover photo of the 840 power station.

i think it is the most spectacular of the Lionel pre war structures.

My power station is by T Reproductions. I did not use the platform in order to fit it into a tight space.

Jim Z





Chris L and Jim Z , here is my 840 entry. With all the other structure colors in the 'Industry area' on my Standard Gauge Upstairs Layout, I'm glad I went with the Red/White version. Mine is by MTH.

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Way back - probably around 1980 or so, a TCA member published an article in the Quarterly about small American Flyer Stations.  I had just become interested in the stations and the information provided was a welcome addition to my then meager store of knowledge concerning the stations.

  The author provided pictures of the various stations along with their names.  One of the pictures was of the small Glen Ellyn station which, as we know today, was Hafner and not American Flyer.  At the fall York meet for the same year I found a complete "American Flyer" station set with the Glen Ellyn station.  Other than a rubber stamped 1100 on the box side there was no other identification. 

  It was only after the passage of several years and my accumulation of additional knowledge about American Flyer stations that I came to realize the author had made a mistake with regards to the Glen Ellyn station.  This wasn't a problem. Rather it was fun to discover I had something different and something which, for me, has proven to be unique in that I've never seen another one of these sets (now watch - half of the posters to this thread will come back with pictures of mountains of these sets in their respective collections ).

#1100 Hafner Station Set

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Box contents - note the semaphore on the straight post is part of the station and is held in place by a hole in the station roof

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Hafner station with semaphore attached

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Robert:  THANK YOU for posting the Hafner 1100 Station Set...not only is it beautiful to see but it has helped me in what you will think an unusual way.  I have the crossing gate and the "Danger" cross buck and have for years wondered who made them (I can't recall how I got them but likely just picked them up "under the table" at some train show ) but now due to your posting I can identify them as Hafner!!.  Thanks !

Don

Fatman, based on what I've seen it looks like Hafner changed the colors of the litho brick and stone sides, roof enamel color, and perhaps even base colors (I say perhaps because I have seen some green bases but I couldn't decide if they were original or repaints). However, I haven't seen anything that would suggest a timeline for these changes. 

To your station - I have one like it too - less the semaphore.  It is obvious from the wear marks on the extreme right hand side of the station that it did have a semaphore at one time but it was long gone by the time I found it.

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Cannot remember if I shared pic(s) recently of the still-a-work-in-progress American Flyer O Gauge area (I lovingly refer to it as American Flyer Litho-Land) on the new layout... please forgive me if I'm being redundant. A few new items have been added recently.

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Those are some very, very nice buildings and accessories- it looks like AF Litho-Land will turn out great!

Your last picture piqued my interest. Do you know who made the five figures in the green box? Also- what size are they, roughly? If I recall correctly, it wasnโ€™t until Postwar that Gilbert AF had Comet Metal Products/Authenticast Products figures for them that were marketed as American Flyer

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And a unknown indicator for Australia

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With Adelaide, Mildura, Albury, Bendigo, Frankston, Geelong, Flinders St

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Arne

That piece is charming. Looks like it's made from an Altoid tin. Could even be homemade?

Edit: Further reading down the thread brought me to Jamie's description. I guess I was partially right in that it is from a repurposed tin.

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Fatman:  What fabulous engines.  The lithography is spectacular...I note the difference between the "splasher" design of the Royal Scot vs the more common (in the US) horizontal walkway design of the Britannia.

Steve Eastman - first of all...you are having a "Train Show" !  There has not been one of those in Texas since last January. Shows cancelled as far away as La in our TCA division.  Next, from your discussion I am assuming that the houses are painted metal, is that correct?  I was struck at the similarity to the Plasticville "Cape Cod" design even the color schemes seem similar, i know that the red/white and blue/white scheme was offered in plasticville not sure of the green.  By the way to  help in your dating, I agree with the 1950's.  These "Cape Cod" houses were built by the hundreds specifically for returning veterans at the close of WWII / Korean war (one of which was my parents one and only owned house from 1953 - 1978 and the site of my first layout!).

Me - I have scored a pair of 529 Pullmans, 1926-1932, in the olive green / green roof livery I will post pictures when they arrive. I do have an appropriate 252 loco to go with them but I am still looking for the 530 observation.

Don

Fatman:  What fabulous engines.  The lithography is spectacular...I note the difference between the "splasher" design of the Royal Scot vs the more common (in the US) horizontal walkway design of the Britannia.

Steve Eastman - first of all...you are having a "Train Show" !  There has not been one of those in Texas since last January. Shows cancelled as far away as La in our TCA division.  Next, from your discussion I am assuming that the houses are painted metal, is that correct?  I was struck at the similarity to the Plasticville "Cape Cod" design even the color schemes seem similar, i know that the red/white and blue/white scheme was offered in plasticville not sure of the green.  By the way to  help in your dating, I agree with the 1950's.  These "Cape Cod" houses were built by the hundreds specifically for returning veterans at the close of WWII / Korean war (one of which was my parents one and only owned house from 1953 - 1978 and the site of my first layout!).

Me - I have scored a pair of 529 Pullmans, 1926-1932, in the olive green / green roof livery I will post pictures when they arrive. I do have an appropriate 252 loco to go with them but I am still looking for the 530 observation.

Don

Don, the houses are painted steel with plastic doors and windows. Similar in size to Plasticville.

Steve

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Those are some very, very nice buildings and accessories- it looks like AF Litho-Land will turn out great!

Your last picture piqued my interest. Do you know who made the five figures in the green box? Also- what size are they, roughly? If I recall correctly, it wasnโ€™t until Postwar that Gilbert AF had Comet Metal Products/Authenticast Products figures for them that were marketed as American Flyer

The O gauge figures in the box are Dinky. They came via eBay. I have two different sets. Leaving them in the boxes to keep them in good shape until the layout is much further along. My Standard Gauge figures often fall over and ding up their noses.

Layout vignette: Bing's "Superior Railway Station" No. 13130, 1902-14. This example with one arc lamp and interior that was electrified a long time ago. This tinplate large station features wall embossing, attached window and door frames, glass windows, tower-like central building with passage, embossed roof with telegraph frame, 2 side buildings, embossed roofs, 1 passage with corrugated iron arched roof with decorative borders, railings with chains, one arc lamp with sign, and a clockwork bell mechanism.

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Steve / Jim- beautiful stations.  Jim the way you have yours detailed with period "people" is just outstanding.  Arnie - the Brimtoy engine is really spectacular, especially the lithography of the engineer and fireman inside the cab.  Daniel - WOW what a set, beautiful and amazing that you were able to find it in such a condition. I must admit, I was curious about the second car, it appears to have a cabin in the center and the two ends are more narrow and carrying cargo?  I could not place what type car it is.  Knowing JEP it must be well modeled after a prototype as their works were always quite realistic.

Great pictures everyone

Don

jhz563, the Golden Arrow set has been a dream for many boys in that time, it was the most expensive model from JEP and the price of it was a month salary of an employee, anyway many where sold and they are not rare to find

Don and Art,  the car is a baggage car. There is a central cab for the crew and two containers. When the train has to cross the Channel between France and Great Britain the containers where removed and placed in the ferry.   The containers on the JEP car are not removable.

To give you a better illustration here a picture of an Elettren car, scale model of the original.

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