Not my comment, Don...I presume you mean William1.
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Not my comment, Don...I presume you mean William1.
PD
@pd: You are absolutely correct!! I apologize for misquoting you. The comment was by William 1.
Don
Yeah, the "Tinplate photos and videos" post used to be a weekly post. Each week Chris Lonero would get us started. It resided in the Tinplate forum.
A couple years ago, it got sent to the Photo Album forum where it took its present form as this one long post. At that time, many of the most prolific posters exited the forum. I must admit the resultant dearth of activity has caused me drift away.
@Don McErlean posted:
....Here is the Marx Monon FM diesel "B" unit, 8 wheel variety. This really shows the Marx art of lithography, note the use of shadows in the portholes, hatch doors, and vents to give the illusion of depth, the car side is in fact completely flat.
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Finally the end view. I am really impressed with the shadow effect for the end doors. They look remarkably 3-dimensional and when you look at the item, you would swear that they in fact are openings in the side. They are not, the doors are completely 2 dimensional and flat. The optical illusion is really well done.
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Thanks for posting this. Although I have the 4-wheel version, I'm ashamed to admit that I never noticed the shading on the doors. It's a really nice effect on an inexpensive toy train.
Mallard4468: thanks for your comment. Marx really employed artists in developing their lithography. In effect it was the use of lithography that allowed Marx to keep the price down and make inexpensive toys
Best wishes
Don
SalV: beautiful caboose. Did you customize it or is it a purchase and from whom??
Don
A bit of an eclectic "Odds & Sods" post for the new stuff in the collection today...
A Karl Bub baggage car sans roof !
A cast JEP Vin car
And a little Bub CIWL to tag behind my SonderKlasse loco ( HO scale)
And it just wouldn't be me if I didn't include something a little special ( well to me anyway !)
Firstly a Keim unpowered section of what I can only conclude is a pretty rare Belgian Liveried carriage from their 4.5V trolley/tramcar variants ... I have seen plenty of the light blue ones , and they used the same sort of pressing for their yellow monorail , but this livery is a new one to me .. Interestingly it has the Stations marked on the litho in several different regional dialogues and spellings , from what I gather a combination of Dutch French and German !
Same towns , just different names in the different regional dialects! Shame the locomotive is lost to the seeds of time
But really exciting for me is ( Thanks to a good mate Peter in Brisbane, Queensland) my first , and most probably ONLY Whitanco
in the collection , very hard to come by and only a carriage frame , but it exists and was found so I am more than happy with it
He indeed has a couple of complete carriages but had the extra shell and was happy to share the love with me ... Thanks Mate!
@Don McErlean posted:SalV: beautiful caboose. Did you customize it or is it a purchase and from whom??
Don
Got this new in the box for $82 Bucks! From Pat`s trains!!! ( I also have the refrigerated box car same price!)
Go to Pat`s! Great prices!!! see link above...Thanks Pat!
Don McE - To clarify, my comment was referring to this thread used to be a weekly thing in the tinplate section and I looked forward to it every week. Now it is kind of buried here and I didn’t know it was here till I stumbled on it trying to find 3Rails’ videos. Now I know where to look. Sorry if it rubbed you the wrong way.
Cheers, W1
Nice to see @Fatman that you have an interest in HO gauge JEP, they are fun trains to collect and a mixed of scale and tinplate. As usually some very good pieces....
Here is an original Lionel Flying Yankee but paint is restored. They are not always easy to find in great condition so for the moment I will do with this one....waiting for a perfect model.
Daniel
William1: thank you for your comment and for taking the time to clarify your comment. I too remember the prior way the post went and liked it. For reasons unknown to most of us since the post was mostly pictures and videos they moved it to where it is today. I hope you continue to post because the foreum is one of the few places where tinplate ( both modern and historic) can be viewed. We still do have the “tinplate trains “ thread in the train thread which is also a good place to post for us tinplaters. Please continue to post we miss old members like yourself and hope you stay with us
Sincerely
Don
Hey, Take it easy. Old members…. I’m starting to think I resemble that remark.
Thanks for your thoughts McE. Tinplaters never get old, a little patina just makes them all the more handsome.
My bride likes my ever increasing patina. She likes the tinplate too.
Hey Guys...I am OK with a little patina...it's the RUST I worry about ! My comment about "old" was merely in reference to our extensive and superior experience and expertise!
Don
Sal V,
Bought that set for my wife when it came out. I think I had to wait almost a full year for the cars to be delivered.
Thanks for the heads up on the caboose and reefer. My caboose arrived today and the reefer was shipped today
Charlie
Sal V,
Thanks for rattling my cage. That looks like an MTH 10-2219 Car. I've been looking for my inventory list for weeks. I just relocated it and low and behold I have the Tank car as well as a flood light car. They are Standard Gauge, 500 series cars.
Charlie
Well tinplate fans I wanted to thank Sal V for his great "Blue Comet" pictures and the story of making up additional cars to go with the set. @FRENCHTRAINS / Daniel that is a really nice Flying Yankee and you seem to have all the cars and most importantly all the articulation sections. Great find. Fatman - amazing finds and at least to me introducing trains that I had never seen before, thanks for posting.
Now for my offering today, I am sort of on a continuing saga but its about to be complete. After years of searching for a "B" unit for my Marx Monon FM diesel in February I hit gold...finding BOTH the 4 wheel and the 8 wheel Monon B 's. So all that was left was the matching lithographed tin 6" Monon caboose. Again never having seen one before, I had little hope but then just this month, one popped up on E-bay. Not the most perfect example but good enough! So here are some views of my "finally" complete Marx Monon FM assembly.
First, the elusive Monon 6" tin lithographed caboose in the matching livery to the Monon FM diesel .
The caboose from the rear, a bit of damage but all in all quite OK. A "deluxe" version with platform rail and ladder, punched out portholes and door window in the rear bulkhead.
Finally, here is the complete Marx Monon FM ABBA plus matching caboose - side view
Marx Monon ABBA front quarter view
Marx Monon ABBA with rear view showing the matching caboose
Well tinplate friends, there she is, the product of quite a bit of looking and searching. Not all parts are perfect but remember this Monon A unit (only the A units were ever powered either clockwork or electric) was only available between 1955-1959 and the "B" units only in 1958-1959. In addition, the FM series being so obviously a "toy" and not a scale model engine had a somewhat lower survival rate when compared with more scale or model like items as such they were played with HARD and probably not as well cared for by Mom and Dad. They are about 63- 67 years old today, approaching retirement age for sure.
Best wishes and good hunting. Have a great week.
Don
Ok Folks .. an impulse buy ... mainly because its here in Australia ( lol) and no horrendous US of A shipping cost !
Apparently the loco is "No Go" but it shouldnt be anything too hard to fix and if all turns horribly pear shaped I already have a AF No5 in the collection that can pitch in
Beware! this has ... "patina" and probably nowhere near the worth of what I paid all up .. but " 'Straya " not the States
( so in relative terms I got it local for about the cost of shipping it from the US had I bought it there )
Ives must have used "real steel" cos its grown some real rust !
According to description its a 1922 production ( I presume taken from the motor stamping, but I cant confirm thru pics just that its 192? )
Regardless this is my first Ive's rolling stock as a set ( I hope, research to come , or enlightenment from the good folks here??? )
No box , I suspect it rotted away by the look of the contents lol
@Fatman posted:Ok Folks .. an impulse buy ... mainly because its here in Australia ( lol) and no horrendous US of A shipping cost !
Apparently the loco is "No Go" but it shouldnt be anything too hard to fix and if all turns horribly pear shaped I already have a AF No5 in the collection that can pitch in
Beware! this has ... "patina"
and probably nowhere near the worth of what I paid all up .. but " 'Straya " not the States
( so in relative terms I got it local for about the cost of shipping it from the US had I bought it there )
Ives must have used "real steel" cos its grown some real rust !
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No box , I suspect it rotted away by the look of the contents lol
If rust is what you want, provide your mailing address and I'll send you an envelope of it.
Fatman: What a great Ives find! My reference, "Greenbergs Guide to Ives Trains, Vol II O'gauge" shows the engine you pictured as available from 1917-1922. Key dating characteristics were the "Ives No 5" rubber stamped below the cab windows, 2 cab windows, 8 spoke driving wheels, and simulated headlight in center of smoke box. It came with an Ives No 11 tender which as pictured in the book had "IVES" rubber stamped on the raised side wall section and "No 11" on the larger flat side section in either white or silver (hard to tell from pictures). It was made this way (rubber stamping) from 1918-1925.
The tank car is from the "560" series of cars introduced in 1913 and available till 1930. These were an intermediate line set between the 4 wheel 50 series and the 8 wheel 60 series using the 60 series bodies on a new 4 wheel frame. The #566 orange tank car was available 1917 - 1929. The # 55 stock car was available from 1915-1930 and even earlier in different colors and with flat loop couplers. The #57 lumber car was also available from 1915 -1930.
Well, I have about exhausted my limited reference information on Ives (I have almost no Ives in my collection). Your find is super and thanks so much for posting. I had fun trying to " look up" information on them.
Best wishes
Don
Thanks for the info Don! ... I still marvel at how this stuff gets here lol
I still find the numerous variations of the American Flyer 1107 / 1108 cars to be fascinating. Here are a couple of examples that arrived in today's mail.
At first I did not think this one was too unusual, but then I realized that it did not have American Flyer Lines lettering.
I bought the above car in a group that contained this un-lettered coach
I believe both cars were likely sold in a department store special set, likely for JC Penney, based on previous experiences with un-lettered items. Personally, I think American Flyer's dark blue lithographed cars (of any size) are some of the best looking cars they ever produced.
The below car also came in the group. It does not seem to unusual at first, but look at the door.
Although the door appears to be plain, it actually was put in the press upside-down, so that the lithograph is on the inside of the door. It would not photograph well, so all I have is the photo showing the outside of the door. There is a matching green coach, but the photo was blurry, so I did not post it.
NWL
@Don McErlean posted:Well tinplate fans I wanted to thank Sal V for his great "Blue Comet" pictures and the story of making up additional cars to go with the set. @FRENCHTRAINS / Daniel that is a really nice Flying Yankee and you seem to have all the cars and most importantly all the articulation sections. Great find. Fatman - amazing finds and at least to me introducing trains that I had never seen before, thanks for posting.
Now for my offering today, I am sort of on a continuing saga but its about to be complete. After years of searching for a "B" unit for my Marx Monon FM diesel in February I hit gold...finding BOTH the 4 wheel and the 8 wheel Monon B 's. So all that was left was the matching lithographed tin 6" Monon caboose. Again never having seen one before, I had little hope but then just this month, one popped up on E-bay. Not the most perfect example but good enough! So here are some views of my "finally" complete Marx Monon FM assembly.
First, the elusive Monon 6" tin lithographed caboose in the matching livery to the Monon FM diesel .
The caboose from the rear, a bit of damage but all in all quite OK. A "deluxe" version with platform rail and ladder, punched out portholes and door window in the rear bulkhead.
Finally, here is the complete Marx Monon FM ABBA plus matching caboose - side view
Marx Monon ABBA front quarter view
Marx Monon ABBA with rear view showing the matching caboose
Well tinplate friends, there she is, the product of quite a bit of looking and searching. Not all parts are perfect but remember this Monon A unit (only the A units were ever powered either clockwork or electric) was only available between 1955-1959 and the "B" units only in 1958-1959. In addition, the FM series being so obviously a "toy" and not a scale model engine had a somewhat lower survival rate when compared with more scale or model like items as such they were played with HARD and probably not as well cared for by Mom and Dad. They are about 63- 67 years old today, approaching retirement age for sure.
Best wishes and good hunting. Have a great week.
Don
Hey Charlie...
just saw one on Facebook marketplace in nice condition for $59 bucks!
Well Tinplate fans, I am sure that many of you are familiar with the story of Unique Art and Marx. According to most references, Louis Marx and Sammy Bergman, who directed Unique Art had been close friends for years. In fact they sometimes sold each others toys and used each other's parts. Suddenly in 1948 in a compete surprise to Marx, Unique Art developed an O gauge line of lithographed trains to compete directly with Marx...it was a shock and the two men never really did repair that friendship. However, Marx was a fierce competitor on all fronts and immediately moved to create a line of trains to take on Unique Art. He pushed forward with tooling and die making decisions to have the line ready by Christmas 1949 which he did. However, it turned out that the Unique Art threat was short lived, as they never pursued making additional trains and were done by about 1952. Marx however did keep producing what turned out to be called his 7 inch series cars until about 1958 for the freight cars. These cars were all lithographed tin plate with 4 wheels on most but some cabooses did have 8 . He did use the dies as modified to make his passenger cars for his 1860's styled "Wild West" sets which lasted until the early 1970's. Because of the fast demise of Unique Art trains, Marx never made many variations in this series (3 gondolas, 2 box cars ). The greatest variation was with the cabooses where he made 7 different litho schemes and 3 with the same litho but 8 wheels vice 4. This line of cars however is the home of what is perhaps the most colorful train Marx produced, the Disney windup Mickey Mouse Meteor... almost all parts of which are way beyond this poster's budget.
So what do I have for you today. Well I posted one of the 7 inch caboose's with the Marx B&O F-3 diesel set that I posted on Front End Friday on 3/4 and I believe I have posted the NKP version before also. So here are two new ones (new to me).
The New York Central "Pacemaker" from 1956-1957
The Southern Pacific 1235 made from 1952-1955
Two pictured earlier: the C514 B&O from, 1955-1957 and the NKP 956 from 1955-1958 (with plastic knuckle coupler) but made as early as 1949 with tab/slot.
Well best wishes everyone .
Don
As a counter to Don's marvellous history post above .. here are some Unique Art items in my collection ...( poor photos , I must really get off my arse and catalogue them properly one day ! )
The Tender is an overpaint sadly .
Fatman: Thank you for adding to the Marx / Unique Art discussion. Personally I was sorry that Unique Art did not pursue further trains as their "whimsical" approach to the figures of people in the windows was wonderful. I do not have any of the cars but the Circus Train Unique Art made for the Jewel Tea Company is another great Unique Art train...the cows are all smiling and their heads are outside of the slats on the cattle car (how did they do that?).
Best wishes
Don
@Don McErlean posted:OK Tinplate Fans, I have something for you that is essentially NONSENSE but IT IS Tinplate! Now on 2/10 in the "Marx Train Pictures" thread Fatman allowed as he now has 2 pieces of plastic in his collection but would not likely have more...so how can you scenic a layout without using some plastic. Well here is your solution...I present to you...Lithographed, tinplate rock formations !!
Now tinplate purists you too can have scenery...here they are:
In close up Both formations are each about 4" long, 2.5" wide and about 1" high at the highest point. We have flowers, weeds, grass, dirt, and rocks...all presented in lithographed beauty (LOL)!.
I just got these in the mail and they are going on my layout. Folks...don't take this too seriously it is just for laughs and can't compare with the fabulous trains posted elsewhere. Just for fun.
Don
Don,
I saw your post and set out to find some of these.
In my search, I first found this pond.
It is unmarked, but similar enough to the rock mounds, that I suspected it may have been made by the same manufacturer.
Finally, I found some of the rock mounds.
In finding the rock mounds, I discovered the manufacturer of both the rock mounds and the pond. These items were made by T. Cohn Inc. and are often confused as Superior Toys as the T. Cohn Inc. used the following slogan "Another Superior Toy by T. Cohn"
The rock mounds were included in 3 different western playsets that they made, the Fort Superior, Fort Comanche, and Fort Apache sets that they made in the 50s and 60s. The rock mounds are designed for the plastic indians/cowboys to hide behind.
The pond, was labeled as a duck pond in the farm set that they sold.
I also found a picture on-line of a swimming pool that used the same stamping as the pond and was included in a doll house set that they made.
Now I need to find some ducks for the pond.
NWL
NWL: AMAZING! I have no idea where you find such information but THANK YOU for posting it. Now my rock mounds, currently gracing open areas of my layout (without either cowboys or Indians ) but I now know the manufacturer. The "duck pond" is really neat and to know that there is a swimming pool somewhere makes the fun of searching great fun!!
Good luck on your hunting for ducks!!
Best wishes
Don
Here is a repair project, after the repair.
An original American Flyer Old Glory, wooden mast, flag, and eagle, on an MTH reproduction base. I had to modify the base to mount the original items. First I had to drill out the hole that the wooden mast goes in, as the original Flyer bases had a hole that went through to the inside and the MTH bases do not. Second, I had to make the eyelet hole larger, as the MTH hole was smaller in size than the original size eyelet.
Here are two side by side, the one with the reproduction base on the left and an all original one on the right.
After the above shot, I took the all original one off the layout and put it in one of the display cases. At some point it will be displayed with my original Union Station, which is still in the process of being cleaned/restored.
NWL
NWL beautiful work!
Don
Does anyone have pics of prewar Flyer telegraph poles? I am trying identify some poles I have seen but don't have pics of the Flyer varieties to compare to.
@palallin posted:Does anyone have pics of prewar Flyer telegraph poles? I am trying identify some poles I have seen but don't have pics of the Flyer varieties to compare to.
There is this style which is sheetmetal and was sold separately and as part of an equipment set
This style came as single, double, and triple versions, with each having 2 cast insulators per level.
And then there is this version with a diecast cross arm, which was also used on the Cascade Tunnel and the long bridge.
NWL
Excellent; thank you!! I know now more of what I am looking at and what I am looking for.
I have seen pics of poles just like the sheet metal ones in the first group but with square bases. A variation at the time or modification in the intervening years, I wonder.
@palallin posted:Excellent; thank you!! I know now more of what I am looking at and what I am looking for.
I have seen pics of poles just like the sheet metal ones in the first group but with square bases. A variation at the time or modification in the intervening years, I wonder.
Flyer never used square bases on their telephone poles.
And again: thank you for that tidbit!
That is really cool. A lot of drama going on in that little station. I can kind of make up scenarios in my head what people are thinking. Love the soda fountain scene. I was a soda jerk back in my feckless youth and that might have been some of the best times ever. I can still make a Hubba Hubba, 5 scoops and plenty on top, and don’t miss a chance to chat up the pretty girl on the high stool.
Cheers, W1
@William 1 posted:Just an attempt to put together the most colorful train I could with 500 freights and my super smooth running Blue Comet 390E. She is a honey, hauling 7 cars with nary a whimper. Have a great weekend all you tinplate nuts!
Marvelous; thank you!
@William1 : That is a great train, both with the 500 freights and with the Baby Blue State Cars you showed earlier. It seems to run smooth and really pull well. Did you have to rebuild the motor? Arnie - What a great station, I never knew that Banner Plastics (note "plastics") ever made any lithographed tin items. If you look at how the people are pictured, both women and men with everyone in hats and little boys in knickers etc, I would have to agree that it dates to the 50's. Men in the US stopped wearing hats about the time JFK became President (he didn't wear one) in the 1960's. Great station thank you for posting.
Best wishes
Don
Don - I never had to do anything to her but turn the button on my Cab1 to the right a couple turns and off she goes. I feel so lucky to have her. Long may she run.
Cheers, W1
Scored this really nice green base 520 searchlight car. I was momentarily dismayed when it didn’t light up but screwing in the bulbs took care of that. Probably the easiest fix in toy train history! Pretty happy with this find. I think now I do have every color scheme of 500 freights. Not every variation, but the base colors. Gonna double check my Greenberg guide on that now.
Cheers! W1
@William 1 : Beautiful searchlight cars...my data says that the terra cotta / brass car dates from 1931 and the green / nickel car dates from 1935. The fact that your 390E never needed much of a re-build is really amazing. A true credit to the quality of the trains when they were manufactured.
jhz - Great video, really like that mallet and you have my strong cheers for the little Hornby.
Best wishes
Don
Don - Quick back story on the 390E. Don’t know if it’s necessarily in good taste to comment on prices, but I bought her on a Christmas Day for $500. I see a similar model as far as condition on a site and the guy is asking $7995 for it and I can guarantee it can’t run better than my girl. I thought it didn’t run when I put it on the track at first. Was DOA. I think she was a shelf queen for 2 years before I decided to give it another go. Can’t remember what it was I did, a direction lever to lock it in forward? but I did something right and she started right up and now you can’t stop her. Best Christmas present I ever gave myself.
Thanks for your comments, W1
MTH Telegraph poles for $110!
@William 1 : Great story about the 390E I had a similar experience with my 224 pre-war steamer. Seller gave me a great price but told me that honestly it didn't run. I wanted a shelf queen for a set of pre war Lionel passenger cars so that was ok. Some 2 years later when I finally negotiated some room to put up a layout...I set it on the track and started fooling around with the direction lever...lowe and behold, she took off and has been running since. Can't reverse but I don't back up a passenger train anyway. I also liked your "double headed" #8's they look good.
Don
@Nation Wide Lines posted:Don,
I saw your post and set out to find some of these.
In my search, I first found this pond.
It is unmarked, but similar enough to the rock mounds, that I suspected it may have been made by the same manufacturer.
Finally, I found some of the rock mounds.
In finding the rock mounds, I discovered the manufacturer of both the rock mounds and the pond. These items were made by T. Cohn Inc. and are often confused as Superior Toys as the T. Cohn Inc. used the following slogan "Another Superior Toy by T. Cohn"
The rock mounds were included in 3 different western playsets that they made, the Fort Superior, Fort Comanche, and Fort Apache sets that they made in the 50s and 60s. The rock mounds are designed for the plastic indians/cowboys to hide behind.
The pond, was labeled as a duck pond in the farm set that they sold.
I also found a picture on-line of a swimming pool that used the same stamping as the pond and was included in a doll house set that they made.
Now I need to find some ducks for the pond.
NWL
I found one of the swimming pools, which will be placed behind one of my Lionel Mansions or Villas.
I just need to make a diving board and ladder for the pool, as the base is stamped for these accessories, but mine was missing them.
I also have some ducks/swans coming for the pond. Will post photos of it after they arrive.
NWL
Geese. How about a gaggle of girls in bikinis.
@William 1 posted:Geese. How about a gaggle of girls in bikinis.
The geese/ducks are for the duck pond. Will have to look for some bathing beauties now that I found the pool.
NWL : AMAZING ! I have no idea of the source of such finds that you come up with. But the swimming pool is really amazing. Great find.
Don
@Nation Wide Lines posted:I found one of the swimming pools, which will be placed behind one of my Lionel Mansions or Villas.
I just need to make a diving board and ladder for the pool, as the base is stamped for these accessories, but mine was missing them.
I also have some ducks/swans coming for the pond. Will post photos of it after they arrive.
NWL
Here are a group of Grey Iron people that may interest you . They are Grey Iron , “The American Family at the Beach” series . More or less the size fits Standard Gauge . They pop up on eBay every once in a while. The pond and pool are cool finds that’s for sure . I did see two rock mounds for sale on eBay a week ago . Starting price was $19.00 .
Well its been a rather self imposed drought here at the Musee de Fatman ... Sadly with the state of things in the world I figured my train budget for a while could be better served elsewhere .
But I simply couldn't pass this little fellow up .... and I think the Brothers Bing might have a little to say about the blurb on the box
Specifically the "complete " aspect of it ...
However the loco itself IS a good deal smaller than a Bing OO ( Bing is about 110mm )
And a "Stolen off the web" pic to give us an idea of actual size .... Mine is complete and running this one is broke lol
Going by that the loco is about 68mm long ... I suppose then they might get away with their claim ???
Made in the UK post war I believe .. "Teeny toys " also made clockwork cars and other diecast stuff .
Been after one of these for a while now ...
Fatman - Great set..."Teeny Toys" another name I had not heard before...thanks for posting. I wish I had something to add but I am afraid that its been a dry spell for me as well on the "tinplate" front. Best wishes.
Don
Nice little set Simon, as you all is quite here but I just traded with a friend a bunch of ETS freight cars for a nice looking Hornby loco in French livery, it is a 20v electric model from 1934-35.
So, one more in the collection....
Daniel
Greetings Tunnel Fanatics
Couldn't pass up acquiring my second big Marklin 2523 tunnel from 1902-1919. Somehow I was able to shoe horn it on to the layout by taking out a Ross LH 054/072 switch (sold on O gauge forum plus the connecting track that led to a Lionel switch which also was removed.
Daniel- what a beautiful French Hornby. Since it’s marked “NORD” it must be pre nationalization right? Lew rail- tunnels are amazing. Hoe anything that large survived a century plus is hard to believe. Great find!! W1-that#10 really looks good. Are you repairing / reconditioning them yourself or do you have a trusted repair source?? Best wishes everyone.
Don
Don - I’m not there yet. Bill at Des Plaines hobbies got her back in shape. Very grateful. I would like to learn how to fix these up like you guys do but not sure where to start. Baby steps for now.
Beautiful Riviera Daniel ! The hard part will be finding coaches just as nice !
Lew outstanding tunnels , you come up with the most amazing things !
And a gorgeous old girl from @William 1 Don't be too afraid of these old girls , they were built tough,....With time will come the confidence to "have a crack" yourself
( start out with something you don't mind messing up and build from there LOL #Protip No.1 )
Maybe even buy an uber cheap post war Marx and pull it down to start with , as you say "baby Steps" and youtube is your friend!
Thanks, the loco is pre nationalization Don, the national French railways where founded in 1938 and unfortunately Hornby stopped producing that loco just at the beginning of world war two. It will not reappear after and a SNCF model would have been nice. Only PLM for Paris Lyon Mediterannée where produced but in a large quantity of variations, several clockwork types of motor and electric ones in 4 6 and 20 volts, both manual or auto reverse; it makes a huge number of variations to find...
The cars are already in stock Simon, not a problem, here they are. Sorry for the pictures of poor quality...
Daniel
I have been searching for ducks for my duck pond, but due to the rising prices caused by inflation, all I could afford was half a duck!
NWL
As spring approaches, I always try to find something special for my birthday. This year I again lucked out and found something interesting. I offer this up for your viewing pleasure. I estimate it to date to the middle 1920s.
I have to admit it is the first 1 Dozen box I have acquired. Previous acquisitions include 1/12 dozen (a complete train set) and 1/2 dozen boxes (assorted cars).
Here is another shot
As you might guess from the stamping on the box, it is a dozen light bulbs
What is interesting is that 8 of the bulb containers are un-opened, factory sealed, NOS bulbs.
I guess if I had posted this photo first, there would have been little mystery as to what was in the box.
NWL
NWL: Neat box of lightbulbs and the box is in extraordinary condition including the labels. Given these items were not really printed with any long life in mind, the fact that they are so clear and bright is really amazing. OBTW remember those famous words..." half a duck is better than none !!"
Best Wishes
Don
Nifty!
Daniel : Coaches are beautiful and that new loco will make a gorgeous train. I admit I didn't realize that it was the Hornby version of the famous "Riviera Blue" train. Thanks for confirming that the "NORD" markings made the loco pre nationalization. I have been studying my new book on French Hornby and thought that was the case. W1 thanks for the repair source information, I may choose to have a std gauge loco that I have repaired but at the moment I have no where to run these big guys.
Best wishes to all
Don
Despite the electric power, it must be a Texas train, all cattle and oil
Looks great!
Some more information on Hornby's Nord Pacifics. Of course we know that Hornby cheated by providing 4 not 6 driving wheels. But they were quite accurate when it came to producing their final version, because it was numbered 3.1290. That number was the last of the 1931 3.1251-3.1290 batch of "Super Pacifics". Here are two photos of my 3.1290. The other Hornby locomotives in the photos are the very rare Canadian Pacific 2800 and an Argentine Export 4-4-2. Lew
Wow, those are some beauties. Very impressive.
@lewrail - Those Hornby engines are really something. Thanks for posting. W1 - another great engine and running really well. Palallin - (old Texas saying)..."People tell us "cattle smell" we agree...to us they smell like MONEY!"
Best wishes everyone
Don
The last French model of the Hornby Nord loco with smoke deflectors. A little different from Lew's British one. Passenger cars are the original set that matches the engine, 1935.
Now looking at William 1 ' videos.......I think I will run some standard gauge trains this weekend, I really enjoy looking at yours...
Have a great weekend, Daniel
Daniel - real beauties...is the engine clockwork or electric?
Best wishes
Don
Thanks Don,this one is electric 20v AC with auto reverse mech.
If you enjoy clockwork ones here are two models,
The first one is from 1925, missing a step on the back of the cab.
And a more common models from the thirties, both of those locos are stamped "made in England" for the French market,
All my best wishes, Daniel
Daniel - Thanks for posting, they are magnificent...watch out some day I may come to France and want to see them and others in your collection "in person"
Best wishes
Don
Don, if you come in France one day, just let me know, you are welcome and it would be a great pleasure to meet you.
Very best, Daniel
Daniel thank you for the invitation, perhaps some time I will be lucky enough to take you up on it...who knows! Well Tinplate fans...my personal "drought" is over for the moment. I have been unable to post on this thread for some time since I have not acquired any new tinplate...well a delivery yesterday solved that .
I have most of Lionel's "600" series freights from the pre war period and quite a few of the "800" series but what I did not have in either series was a CRANE CAR. That situation has now ended and I have managed to add a Lionel # 2660 Crane Car to my collection. For most cars in this series the "latch" coupler version of the car was designated "600" something (like 657 caboose for example) and when the car went to "automatic" couplers in 1936 in Lionel's quest for realism the number on the car changed to "2600" thus the 657 caboose became the 2657 caboose and so forth. However there really is no "latch" version of the crane car ( Note there is a very rare, version sometimes called the 1660 that appeared in one single set but that is not confirmed in my reference). Thus the 2660 was introduce in 1938 with box couplers from the beginning. However this car is a later version due to a) black journals (another Lionel attempt at realism) and the fact that the cab does not have number plates but is black stamped. The black journals/ stamping vice plates follows the path of the other cars in this series. These two items date the car from 1941-1942.
Here is a full side view, the boom goes up / down via a hand wheel and the hook goes up/down the same way. The cab rotates but just by hand pressure.
Close up side view showing the two hand wheels for control of the hook and boom.
The rear of the cab showing the large wheel for controlling the boom and the black stamped logo and car number
A close up of the cab stamping. By the way this is the only lettering on the car. The base does not exhibit any railroad name or even "Lionel Lines" or a car number.
Well tinplate fans, it feels great to be able to contribute again. Hope everyone has a great upcoming week .
Best wishes
Don
Don - That’s a beauty. Love the colors and I have a place in my heart for all things cranes. I used to be a union laborer and worked with a crane operator every day. I know all the hand signals and could still land a china teacup on a lowboy and strap it down for a safe ride down the road. Pardon my hyperbole, I miss those days sometimes…
W1 -Thanks for the comment. By the way, I really do appreciate your skill. A favorite cousin of my wife's...much older than she and I and our relationship with him and his wife was more like aunt / uncle was what they called an "Operating Engineer" and worked the large cranes. I watched him at work one day and it was amazing. Real skill man!
Don
Here’s a #8 I really like. I’m thinkin it’s not original paint cuz I don’t see a dark olive green like this in the Greenberg book, but I do like the look. Really good runner, pulls like a Clydesdale on steroids, and never has a bad thing to say. So this is my first project, getting lamps on it, haha baby steps…. Thinking Hennings should have the parts, correct me if I’m wrong.
@FRENCHTRAINS posted:Don, if you come in France one day, just let me know, you are welcome and it would be a great pleasure to meet you.
Very best, Daniel
Daniel, I spent some time in France a couple years ago. In which area of the country do you live?
@MikeH posted:Daniel, I spent some time in France a couple years ago. In which area of the country do you live?
Hello Mike,
Just three hours south of Paris, in the Loire Valley. So very easy to join from the airport.
Daniel
It seems it is Hornby time actually. After the previous one I just got another model....
It is a 1S series loco for the East railways made during the 1935-39 period. It is a clockwork model and has some minor restorations, wheels are repainted and two axles retaining the linkage have been replaced with screws, as I have original parts I will replace that. Those engines very often have damaged wheels, due to bad zamack but this one is good and it runs very well.
Daniel
Daniel - another beautiful locomotive. Thanks for posting.
Best Wishes
Don
No new trains so just have to run some standard gauge Lionel ones, this time it is the big ones, 400e and 408e with 200 serie cars. Always great to see that work train in motion and what a great toy it was with that crane, searchlight car and toolbox, many young boys would have certainly enjoy to have it.
Have a great Easter time, Daniel
The grandkids are coming over for Easter dinner and an egg hunt. They alway enjoy the freight sets instead of the revenue service. Therefore, I changed the sets around, lubricated everything and they are ready for service on Sunday.
Daniel / Fatman / lewrail : Well its Friday here in central Texas and while assembling some trains for photo's I had an idea. I decided to assemble a "budget version" of that beautiful "Riviera Blue" train and subsequent 1S loco that Daniel posted using my N OE SNCF engine and some of my little blue Pullman cars. I know from some information you provided Daniel that the engine here is from about 1953 and while it has a similar body to the pre-war 1S series the motor is completely different. Of course mine is also marked S.N.C.F. which would make it post nationalization. The Pullman cars are also French Hornby and are marked "Sirie Hornby" "Fab en France, Mecano, Paris" and were made from 1947-1957 so also match the 1953 era of the engine.
Here she is, moving her small train down the main line.
Here is a better view of the consist, two Pullman cars.
Here is a short video of her in motion.
Well Happy Easter everyone...have a great weekend
Don
Wow, a lot of action and great tinplate on a Friday night. Daniel - Love that black 400E. There is one on the forum for sale for a reasonable price right now and I wish I could pull the trigger on it but I better be happy with what I have for now. Priorities get in the way sometimes, and that’s not fair!
Cheers, W1
Here is my contribution so far this weekend. Was a tad stressed that this really nice 517 coal train caboose was not lighting up. Was thinking worse case scenario that the wiring was bad and I would have to lift the delicate tabs and get inside and do irreparable damage to a pristine car. After intensive investigation I found the bulb was bad, replaced it with a bit more ardor than probably necessary and now it’s shining like a diamond in a goats arse. Another installment of the easiest toy train fix in toy train history, my favorite kind. Very happy now. Baby steps…
Have a great weekend all you tinplate nuts! W1
Hornby time for me too !
A mate of mine in Queensland is passing on to me a post war "Export" 20V AC Hornby E502
This loco was the only electric Hornby produced after the second world war and came in only 2 liveries .. this one , the LMS version, and a green LNER . Both versions had the pre-war colours but no longer had the railway initials on them , as for export they could be any line you liked! These electric locomotives were not sold domestically in the UK .
These two models signaled Hornby's "bowing out" of O Gauge electrics , although the clockwork examples were to continue until the late 60's
Its in pretty good nick and shall at some point have the missing coupling rods and piston rods found for it
However I think it must have been made on a Monday morning .. because the hand striping is showing considerable shakiness after someone had a big weekend !
Great tinplate Easter weekend guys, all great pieces in action.
Don, great, perfect period time Hornby, it makes a nice set.
And another nice one Simon, and not a common model, you will easily find the missing linkage and tender. This one must be restored....
@William 1 I do not run very often the big Lionel, I prefer the medium ones and 500 series cars; it seems it is also your favorites and I always enjoy to look at your videos. As I do not have enough space for a layout, here are some pictures of previous runs, especially with my all time preferred one, the 390E, it is the classic black but maybe one day I will be lucky to have the blue one...
And sometime there is some AF too....
Daniel
Daniel: thanks for the compliment. I also like the 500 series Lionel cars actually have not come across too many of the 200 series. The 390 of course is a gem. Still on my wish list (any color)!
Best wishes to all great tinplate everyone
Don
Very nice engines and 500s Daniel. Like that 385 you have. I have a black 390E that is my problem child right now. Been in the shop but back on the fritz, dirty rat. Included is a panoramic view of my layout featuring a long train of 500s and my ‘newly repaired’ 517 caboose. It’s got everything, a lake with beautiful blue water and a snow covered hill in the background. When you are practicing minimalism to the maximum it never hurts to have a bit of an imagination…
Cheers, W1
W1 - you forgot the beautiful flat plane of freshly plowed fields in the foreground. Actually around here in central Texas, the scenery looks a good deal like that in about late Feb / Early March as preparation is underway for spring planting.
Loved the "lake" and "snow covered mtns".
Don
I like the hardened bomber hanger
Great Additions ALL !
Daniel I already have a tender for the E502 in the collection so that's taken care of The Siderods might be a little harder as I believe the electric motors had a slightly longer wheelbase than the clockworks , so while the piston assembly will be interchangeable with clockwork versions the coupling rods will have to be specific to AC motors .
As a slight deviation from trains I picked up another little French toy last night @FRENCHTRAINS
Little Clockwork car ... which is missing a squeeze bulb off the little pipe in the back .. apparently it can be steered by using the bulb and the amount of squeeze determines the position of the front wheel ( operated by a little bladder inside pressing on a steering linkage)
Only about 12 cm (4 3/4 inches ) long
@Fatman : Great car, and yes I believe it was steered via the squeeze bulb. I don't have this car but do have some other toys with the same mechanism. Unfortunately the parts are mostly "rubber" and don't last nearly as well as the toy does.
@ Tom M : Good paint job and quite a accomplishment on finding all the plates, ladders, hand rails etc. Now just a couple more - a silver Sunoco and a Yellow Shell !
Best wishes to everyone on this Holiday weekend
Don
Elsewhere on this part of the forum we have a Boxcar Sunday thread. Now, I have nothing against boxcars, in fact some of my best rolling stock are boxcars, but there are other cars in a consist which I think deserve a mention. So for this Sunday I thought I'd offer a....
... oh well, what can I say, I'm using rented fingers and it's Sunday - that last car should be an American Flyer...
Beautiful!
Hey folks, what a great idea that NWL had...so to contribute here are some of mine.
Here is another Hornby, this one post nationalization.
An early Lionel #802 from 1917-1927
OOOPs plastic - but a Marx MOPAC from the 1950's
Marx Scale Santa Fe from the 1950's
Best wishes to all. Thanks for a great idea NWL.
Don
Geez Don, a math problem this early in the morning???
Ok,
So....lessee N = 14, W = 23, L = 12 and R = 18, S = 19, and B = 2
Therefore N+4 = R
W - 4 = S
and L -10 = B
which means we can transform NWL into RSB with an addition of 4 and a subtraction of 14.
By the way - thanks for the compliment - Robert
My gracious Robert I humbly apologize. Trying to work off this ***phone with its limited screen and tiny letters but that is no excuse for such a mistakes. Thank you for a great idea and again I am sorry for mislabeling your posting.
Best wishes
Don
No problem Don, I was just having some early morning fun.
Take Care,
Robert
@Don McErlean posted:Hey folks, what a great idea that NWL had...so to contribute here are some of mine.
Don
You can bet that you would never find a Lionel, Bing, Ives, Hornby, Marx, or Hafner item in my collection, unless they made if for and it was labeled as American Flyer! LOL!
NWL : Ha! OK my mistake continues to cause consequesnces. I apologized to Robert Butler so I should also apologize to yor as well. SORRY!
You know however that I actually looked through my pictures for an AF cattle car and could not find one from the pre-war/ pre-Gilbert era I also made a cursory check in Greenberg's Collector's guide to American Flyer "0" gauge and could not see one referenced there. So lacking an 0 gauge representative I checked my only reference book on American Flyer "S" gauge and found 7 or 8 varieties of stock car but since I don't really collect "S" gauge I have no pictures. Obviously my collection is deficient! However in a pinch, since we know the very early connection between American Flyer and Hafner, perhaps as a stand in, here is the Hafner cattle car from his "Streamliner" era.
Best wishes
Don
Don,
No reason to apologize, I was just having some fun with you!
Here is a picture of another Flyer stock car, without doors
And with doors
As for other Flyer stock cars, the variation that RSB posted came in differing colors and it and the one above are the only two prewar Flyer O gauge stock cars that were built. They of course produced a Wide Gauge stock car as well, but never made an O gauge 6.5 inch or 9.5 inch stock car.
NWL
NWL : Thank you....for posting. Great to see the AF versions.
Don
NWL, I've always thought it odd Flyer didn't turn out a really impressive 9 inch O gauge cattle car to rival Ives and Lionel. Given that Chicago was "the hog butcher of the world" and the cattle pens were "right next door" one would have thought this alone would have prompted them to make the effort...but it was not to be.
Cattle cars you say ... Hmmmmm to the depths of the Fatcave Fatman!
Not a lot to offer as the Fatcave isn't rolling stock centric but still a few goodies can be found ( all this has taught me is I need MORE cattle cars dammit!)
Hornby Southern ( these were also known as MILK cars as they were used more to transport milk churns to dairies that actual cows .)
French Hornby version
LMS Hornby
Annnd a Bing ...
I think cattle cars are very much an American thing ( lol ) , in Europe, Australia etc Cattle weren't shipped huge distances as most processing was done locally for domestic consumption , and here in Australia at least the majority of transport from remote areas was done by truck and for a long time different States would using differing gauges which really complicated matters often leading to ....
However feasibility studies recently are touting the modern Australian rail system as an alternative to trucks , so everything old might be new again ?
Great idea to present cattle cars. They where used in France during a long time and Hornby has made many variations of cattle cars. Here are some from 1925 to 1955.
Hornby also made many different models for Great Britain
JEP has only made one model from 1925 to the end,1963. Always the same body but different chassis, wheels and coupling during 40 years of production.... not original but nice litho. This is the oldest one.
Bing has also produced different models, only have one with the original cattles ....
And there is many more.... Daniel
@Nation Wide Lines posted:Don,
No reason to apologize, I was just having some fun with you!
Here is a picture of another Flyer stock car, without doors
And with doors
As for other Flyer stock cars, the variation that RSB posted came in differing colors and it and the one above are the only two prewar Flyer O gauge stock cars that were built. They of course produced a Wide Gauge stock car as well, but never made an O gauge 6.5 inch or 9.5 inch stock car.
NWL
As usual with American Flyer, there will be variations. The example NWL provided came with two different door colors.
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
Fatman/Daniel: Great cars. Daniel what a collection! Fatman same really cool cars plus I had not known that what Hornby calls “milk service” cars also were used as cattle carriers although I was always intrigued by the fact that both were slotted sides. In the US most milk traveled by iced cars or iced sections of box cars. Some also traveled in “tank” cars. Daniel I have seen that lithograph car (#3 in your list of photos) and always laughed at the capacity sign giving the capacity for both “beasts” and humans!
Great posts everyone
Best wishes
Don
Greg: please excuse my lack of knowledge but did the cars without doors come that way from Flyer or are the doors just missing?? Thanks
Don
Hello Don, thanks for your answer.
If you follow Frank Hornby designation the cars which are half slotted are for cattle and the full slotted ones are for milk....
Here are some milk cars, French
And British
In France the milk cars changed with the 1S serie in 1935 and they where more realistic, now normal iced cars. The milk jars where also different, lead models. If you buy the simple model you will have three milk jars but if you buy the model with guard you will have to buy them separetely....
The capicity sign, men 40 or horses 8 was used during the war to indicate the capicity of the car.
All my best wishes, Daniel
Thanks Daniel - as always Great Information and things that I did not know. I have the Southern "milk service" car but none of the others. I have tried a few times to get the lithographed "wagon a lait" a couple of times but have been outbid...oh well leaves things for the future. Thanks again.
Don
@Don McErlean posted:Greg: please excuse my lack of knowledge but did the cars without doors come that way from Flyer or are the doors just missing?? Thanks
Don
Don,
The cars without doors came that way. If you look at the photo below, you will note that the pieces of metal in the door opening are the un-formed door guides, which prevents doors from being installed on this car.
Flyer sold both smaller sized baggage cars and boxcars without doors. They offered these door-less cars for a few cents cheaper than cars with doors.
Here is a Flyer car c. 1916 which was sold without doors.
Another early baggage with no door
An early boxcar without doors.
Similar car, but with doors
And of course there is this, no door openings and a cupola, just another crazy item from Flyer
NWL
NWL : Thanks for answering the question about the doors. Candidly I have seem "door less" cars offered at auction and wondered if they came that way or were just missing pieces. Now I know. The explanation of "saving a few cents" seems trivial to us today but I imagine in the far earlier era's shown in your response that was not always the case. I sometimes forget that when my wife and I were assigned to our first AF base in Ohio (1970) , gasoline was "5 gallon's for 1$"
Thanks again for the response.
Don
I’m so happy to report this 318 is running really well now. It had a lil hitch in the giddy up, was binding at one point in the gears causing it to run not so well. I noticed one of the large gears was a bit kiddy wampas as my ma used to say, so I thought, hey, why not try to move it over with a bit of persuasion. So I located the spot where it was closer to the frame, stuck a needle nose pliers between the gear and frame, gunched it a tad, and walah, it’s running great! No more slow downs. 2nd easiest fix in toy train history! Thought about this for a week before I tried it and it worked, gotta love when a plan comes together. Here it is in its element, toting a nice string of brown baby states. Have a great weekend all you tinplate nuts!
Cheers, W1
Nice to see your 318 running well. It is a very nice engine, especially in state set colors. Greetings for the fix of your loco, it seems perfect.
I also have one a little older, a dark gray model.
Have a nice tinplate weekend, Daniel
Daniel, that’s a handsome model. I have a dark gray 318 too. Currently in the shop but expecting it back soon. Talked to my repair guy a couple days ago and it seems all I well. Replacing all the wiring, they get a little ragged after 90 years. Fingers crossed it will pull a long string of 500 freights very soon. Will post a short video when I get it back.
Since we did a tinplate cattle car cavalcade last Sunday I thought for this Sunday it might be worthwhile to do a...
Not sure if this is tin plate or wood plate? This is an early American Flyer tank car.
OK, for an explanation, this car features a wooden tank that is comprised of two dowels, the larger main body and the smaller fill area.
This car would be c. 1914, due to the late frame. There are earlier versions of this car on the Chicago 4 Window Car frames. There are differing color variations to the tank and some of the earlier cars have frame colors that match the body color.
In addition to the body being held in place with the 2 straps, there are 2 nails that hold the body to the frame.
NWL
Excellent idea Robert, it is a fun subject...
In the same spirit than the AF cars presented by NWL, the French brand AS has offered around 1990 some tank cars with wooden tank.
Also some variations from different manufacturers around SHELL
Hornby British 1928,
L R France 1935,
EDOBAUD, France 1935
Marklin 1935,
BLZ France 1950
GMP France 1955-57,
ETS also offered one, still available
Lionel has also offered different models but I do not have many, If only I could find a 515 model for an affordable price....
Daniel
Sorry W1, I do not have the Shell 515 unfortunately..... I have seen some for sale but always pricy, I have the same one you have and I am happy with.
Daniel
Well this is great folks...I LOVE tank cars. Here are a few of mine from various manufactures
A series of "Allstate" tank cars from Marx as sold by Sears. The 3 dome deluxe car from about 1960. The Twin Tanks Allstate car from 1958. The 4 wheel lightweight Allstate tanker from the late 60's through about 1970.
The pre war American Flyer 0 gauge car, # X-1128 from 1936
The Peerless Tank Line car from Bing. I am not sure of the date of this car but I expect it to be around the 1950's
The Chad Valley Milk tank car from the 1950's
The Chad Valley petrol tank car from the 1950's
Two Hafner 1010 tank cars from the 1950's
The Dressler ESSO Tank car from the 1950's.
A Japanese Shell tank car from the 1960's
The Marx (Girard Joy Line) "Everfull" Tank car from 1934-36
Best wishes and great idea Robert.
Don
Hello Don, nice pieces and not common for me to see those US models.
Your bing is much older than you think, it's from 1925.
Very best, Daniel
Another more unusual American Flyer find.
This box contains 1/2 dozen (six) 1118 Tank Cars.
This was an early photo I took, prior to replacing the car that is in the middle-right position
NWL
@Frenchtrains: Daniel Thank you for the information. That is really neat to know, 1925 WOW! that certainly is much older than I expected. I really have very little information on Bing so your input is really appreciated.
@Nation Wide Lines : An entire box of 1118's and I thought it was cool just to have ONE! Thanks for posting. Its an interesting take on the marketing scheme in the early days. Obviously if they packed the cars by the dozen I expect to be sent to a store for sale they were not sold with individual boxes as they were in later years. Interesting.
Best wishes
Don
Don,
The 1/2 dozen boxed items were contained primarily on dealer price lists, as they were designed for the dealers to buy a 1/2 dozen cars and then to split them up for separate sale. I am not sure that always happened, as the 1/2 dozen assorted car boxes came to me as shown.
There are also 1/2 dozen assorted cars, which contained 3 freight and 3 passenger cars of various sizes.
Although the below box should have 3 freights and 3 passenger cars, it came to me with 4 freights and 2 passenger cars. As all of the cars are very nicely matched, I suspect that either it came this way and was sold this way, or someone swapped out 1 car very early on.
I have seen other half-dozen boxes, with the smaller 5 1/2 inch cars in them, in a friend's collection.
NWL
This was a separate sale only item in 1928, the first year that American Flyer started producing O gauge enameled freight cars.
In 1929, the color of the tank changed to green.
and in 1930, the trucks changed from black to gray
NWL
@Nation Wide Lines: the 1/2 dozen boxes are a fascinating extension of my meager knowledge of early Flyer. I agree that although the boxes might have been intended for a dealer to split up and sell separately I can see how they might easily (especially with the "assorted cars" ) moved over into commercial sales. OBTW I also have the 1930 (or later) green tanker with the grey trucks, it came with an small assortment of enameled cars, likely of the same vintage, that I purchased at a train show quite a few years ago.
@Arnie - What a great assortment of Bing tank cars. The two domes appear to be the same car by structure and manufacture but with very different liveries. My "Peerless" version, posted above, seems to be of the same lineage. The construction toys are also quite unique. I will admit I had never seen anything by Koester before. They look like they are made from "Erector" set parts.
Best wishes and thanks to all for posting
Don
If we filled all those tank cars with oil we could corner the market and live like sheiks. Actually now that I think about it not so sure I’d want to live like a sheik. Trying to keep a handle on a harem would drive me nuts, one gf is hard enough…
Cheers, W1
My offering is not as varied as others here since I only have Lionel.
Starting off with an ivory standard gauge 515
Next are two different Sunoco variations of the O gauge 654. An aluminum paint with nickel plates and journals. Followed by a light gray paint with decals and black journals.
Finally the smaller 4 wheel O gauge aluminum painted with copper journals.
Rich great tankers personally I love the 600’s and they have quite a few variations. Nice display.
W1 your comment on the harem reminded me of an old joke. …Osama bin Laden lived in a tiny 3 room house for several years with his 3 wives ….maybe he called the SEALS himself!!
Don
Rich - Now an ivory 515, my how the plot does thicken. That’s a real find. Not so sure I would call that ivory colored, if I was charged with making up names for Sherwin Williams I might call it Wet Sand Dune Tan. I think I read a rumor of a yellow Sunoco? model that was made as well. Greenberg does say that the 515s had the most color variations of any of the 500 series freights but these two he does not have listed. Don - thanks for that. Not so much into textspeak but I will say that made me chuckle audibly.
STD Gauge CMC Erie Camelback. I need a few more boxcars😎
Steve
Greetings friends,
Here is a beautiful Lionel UP City of Salina restored by Bob Furtado many years ago. Unfortunately it does not like to go around 0-54 curves and has set on a shelf for over 20 years.
Today I gave it a chance to stretch its legs on the straight track and here it is. Enjoy.
Tanks !
OOPS! Wrong kind !
Ok now to the serious stuff lol!
( you will have seen all these somewhere before but for the sake of taking part because only new clockwork cars recently )
Jep ( France ) Wine wagon
PionerExspressen ( Denmark )
Fleischmann ( Germany)
Robilt ( Australia)
German Gaz Wagen
Hornby ( UK ) gas wagon ..
French Hornby
Hornby again
Sakai ( Japan)
Bing
Chad Valley (uk)
Marx
Hornby ( USA ) These sets were originally made in the US for sale , but when the company sold to Gilbert in 1929 they became re-issued as Hornby UK items ... they can be found with " Made in the U.S.A." "Hornby Lines" or Made in L'Pool" or in very rare cases with the USA marks overpainted ( the ones brought back from the USA and resold in the UK ) I have examples of all three in the caboose variants .
Here is another variation to add to the American Flyer roster of 9" tank cars.
Northwoods Flyer
Thought I’d update with some windup pics and videos I’m currently enjoying. Enjoy!
*Side note - Does anyone know if the possibility of “reversing the order” of the postings and comments in this thread? (Currently the very first posting is listed first and the latest is all the way in page 44)
Ariel
Marvelous!
Steve,
Very nice! I love sets that come with tunnels, signals, and stations in their original set boxes. They are great finds and I enjoy finding similar American Flyer sets.
NWL
Elgaucho : Great display of those trains, really neat to see them operate.
Steve: What a fabulous set ! Trains, track, buildings, tunnel, and signs...an entire RR empire in a set. I can imagine what the young person who received that set must have felt.
Best Wishes
Don
Elgaucho - Very nice trains, I like it!
You have the option of clicking last reply or first unread post taking you to the end of the thread. Hope that helps.
Cheers, W!
@William 1 posted:Elgaucho - Very nice trains, I like it!
You have the option of clicking last reply or first unread post taking you to the end of the thread. Hope that helps.
Cheers, W!
Hi William! Thanks for the reply!
Where exactly is the “last reply” button? I don’t see that option on this page.
Ariel
When you click on the topic Photo and Video Albums, then scroll down to this thread you should see at the bottom Last Reply or First Unread post. If you click on the thread title it will start at the beginning. Give it a try.
OK Tinplate fans, I could not resist the temptation to post some more tank cars...I am an admitted "tank-a-holic" and have collected quite a mixed brew over the years. Here are some more of mine...Fatman put the Hornby out and I have some of that but the other manufacturers are really neat, I had never seen many of them before. Super display Fatman!
So here are 3 more American Flyer (Chicago Flyer) and a Dorfan for your review.
First the A.F.Lines enameled "Air Service" tanker # 3018 (number does not appear on the car) from 1934-1935
The small lithographed American Flyer # 1228 "Sinclair" 2 dome from 1937
The 8 wheel, enameled, American Flyer, Texaco 2 dome #231 from 1939 (number does not appear on the car).
Now the odd ball out, a Dorfan "Indian Refining Co" single dome tanker. I don't have an exact date but Dorfan started making trains in the US in 1924 and by 1933 all production had stopped and by 1934 the company was out of business. Thus the most likely date for this car is sometime in the 1920's.
Well there you are, a few more tankers for your viewing. Best Wishes
Don
I have an idea of what country these track switches are from but does anyone know the exact manufacturer? (Bub? Fandor?..)
Am also offering these for trade or sale (in appropriate section) if interested. I have no use for them.
Ariel (El Gaucho)
Many years ago I was lucky enough to win an auction lot from Germany that brought me many (50 gallon box) varied o-gauge track pieces to help me get started with my small o-gauge tinplate collection.
Here are a couple of my favorites (will take photos of others soon)
Its amazing how well they’ve been taken care off (for their age)
Ariel (el Gaucho)
@Elgaucho posted:
Was made by Karl Bub, the catalog No is 89, this is the later model, which was made since the later 20s till to the 30s.
The early No 89 looks different, but has the same handle.
Arne
@Elgaucho posted:Many years ago I was lucky enough to win an auction lot from Germany that brought me many (50 gallon box) varied o-gauge track pieces to help me get started with my small o-gauge tinplate collection.
Here are a couple of my favorites (will take photos of others soon)
Its amazing how well they’ve been taken care off (for their age)
Ariel (el Gaucho)
Great Bing switches, here 2 other.
Arne
@Arne posted:
Arne, thank you for the Bub clarification(I guessed right!)
I love your additional Bing switches! Especially that three-way(triangular one) I saw that for sale a while back and kicked myself for not getting it. If you know of another for sale, let me know!
Ariel
Those are some wonderful examples of antique track - nice to see I'm not the only person who can't resist picking up interesting track items!
Here are a couple of O gauge items in my collection - a nice wye:
I bought this three-way switch as a basket case. Soldered it back together and added a home-made switch stand. I painted it black to keep it from rusting; maybe someday I'll get around to stripping the paint off and re-plating it:
American Flyer switch that allowed clockwork trains to pass in a trailing point direction from either the straight or curved legs. The page from the 1928 catalog shows both types of switches for wind-up trains:
Finally, a boxed set of Lionel mechanical train switches:
Here is one of my favorite Flyer switches. It is c. 1914
It does not show up well in the above picture, but the switch is embossed with the company name
NWL
Back to switches... Here is a set of early American Flyer lighted manual switches and the associated catalog artwork. I believe these are c. 1924.
A close-up of the light
The catalog artwork
NWL
For the latest round of acknowledging other members of the freight car family I thought it might be worthwhile to
One of my York finds was something I have been hunting for a couple of years: a whistling, WORKING, wind-up Marx set!
Here's a closer look at the business end of the set. It's a Marx Mercury locomotive, probably postwar judging by the blackened drivers and the plastic wheels on the tender.
I took the mechanism out to give it a good cleaning. Like most Marxies, there's 2 screws and 1 tab to pull out. I was a bit nervous doing this since these particular motors are difficult to find in complete working order. I thought it was in good shape when I first looked at it and was pleasantly surprised to find I was correct.
Here's the mechanism as it came fresh out of the locomotive. You can see the wind chamber on the right along with the geared assembly that opens and closes it to produce the whistle tone.
Here's another picture after a thorough rubdown with WD40 and some fresh train oil on all the gears and bearings. Looks sharp now!
Despite being a somewhat uncommon locomotive, this is a duplicate in my collection. The whistling Merc that I attempted to rebuild last year appears to be exactly identical, albeit in worse shape with a badly broken motor (I hope to be able to rebuild it someday but it needs a LOT of replacement parts). It amuses me to observe that I have 2 uncommon Mercuries that are identical yet all 3 of my black clockwork Vanderbilts, which are in my experience the most common of all Marx windups, have slightly different mechanisms. Ah, the joys of collecting Marx!
Here's a closer look at the cars that came with the new Mercury. I'm not sure if these are all original, especially the tank car which has tinplate wheels instead of plastic ones. The tender does seem correct since the other Mercury I have came with the same type of gray-striped NYC rivet tender.
I am absolutely thrilled to have a working, whistling Marx clockwork in my collection. Here's a video of the set running so you can see and hear for yourself!
Gondolas....
Here are some Flyer examples
c. 1910
c. 1912
c. 1916
c. 1917
c. 1918
1920s
c. 1931
NWL
OK here are some of my gondola's, although some have some unique configurations.
American Flyer #1129 container car, uncatalogued, Ca 1936
Hornby Type 51, Cement Wagon 1957-1969
Distler model 231 made between 1953-1957
Fandor (OOPs got in another tanker, snuck that in!) both produced between 1912-1918 (import stopped with WWI)
French Hornby post war 1950's.
Hornby postwar 1949-1954
Lionel 2812X (X=lower height couplers) 1941-42
Marx 7" series #80982 1955-1961
Well happy "tinplate" Sunday everyone. Best Wishes
Great photos Robert, Daniel, NWL super display of gondola cars. Great posts all
Don
You guys have some amazing collections. A car made in 1910. That’s 132 years old!
@William 1 posted:You guys have some amazing collections. A car made in 1910. That’s 132 years old!
Apparently Math was not one of your stronger subjects.
2022 - 1910 = 112
Don’t know how I goofed that up. I was having a pint in the pub at the time and admiring your models on my phone. 90 + 22 = 112. I stand corrected. (Gotta stop chatting up those cute bartenders and get more serious about toy trains). Just kidding. Pretty amazing that you have that in your collection. I like it!
@William 1 posted:Don’t know how I goofed that up. I was having a pint in the pub at the time and admiring your models on my phone. 90 + 22 = 112. I stand corrected. (Gotta stop chatting up those cute bartenders and get more serious about toy trains). Just kidding. Pretty amazing that you have that in your collection. I like it!
Ha! Thats an interesting “side question”:
Q: Where are folks usually at(psychically) when answering or adding material to this thread”?
My answer: at work(taking a break to think trains) a quiet spot away from my young ones(ie-bathroom) patio(also away from kids) or midnight!(once everyone else is asleep) lol
Ariel
Here are some sand car/gondola variations from the Lionel-Ives transition era:
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
Oh, one more thing before I go,
here is a video of an Ives 3200 loco pulling a nice set of blue baggage and Yale cars.
link to my YouTube channel:
https://youtube.com/channel/UCjhLWSvurWo3i03TBnCL6pg
Trainfam
Trainfam: What great classics! Thanks for posting.
Don
@Don McErlean posted:Trainfam: What great classics! Thanks for posting.
Don
No problem Don, glad you enjoyed the posts.
Trainfam
@Elgaucho posted:Many years ago I was lucky enough to win an auction lot from Germany that brought me many (50 gallon box) varied o-gauge track pieces to help me get started with my small o-gauge tinplate collection.
Here are a couple of my favorites (will take photos of others soon)
Its amazing how well they’ve been taken care off (for their age)
Ariel (el Gaucho)
Very nice condition. Gebruder Bing-Nuremburg (GBN). The Brothers (Gebruder) Bing of Germany.
Thought I'd share pics of my birthday present for this year: a nicely restored #45. No competition for it on the Evil Auction Site (TM), so I picked it up very reasonably. A great addition to my SG collection.
The lighting dulls the shine a bit, so the gloss and the brass don't quite live up to the real thing. Whoever restored it took great care, it seems.
Nice. Happy birthday!
Happy Birthday!
Nothing new for me ... its almost becoming tragic LOL
So here's a consolation photo of my partner in crime ... Tuco The WonderParrot !
Hi Tuco, nice to see your picture.
I just returned at home with a little attic find..... A French Station from around 1920 made by FV for JdP.
There is some missing parts, a telegraph pole on the roof and three signs hanging on the center roof and each sides and some poles. All of this can be done but there missing paint also which is sad, i do not know yet what I am going to do with it. A partial repaint certainly, have to think about it....
Daniel
Thanks, guys!
Greetings Friends
Time for a quiz. My latest purchase has been put on to the "Biller Layout". Now there are
four different stations from four different German prewar manufacturers. Can you identify them? Lew Schneider
Wow what a menagerie of subjects today! Palallin - first Happy Birthday!! Best wishes hope you had a great day. You know Lionel (ever clever) sold the #45 as both Standard Gauge and O Gauge. The only difference was the section of straight track that you got with the item when new. Later they eliminated providing the track and just offered the same item to both. Fatman - nice to see "Tuco" certainly is a pretty colorful fellow (girl?). Daniel - great find, not to be too concerned with the paint, after all the station is over a century old we should just be glad it still exists. Arnie - that is one beautiful bridge, the lights and the bold truss pattern certainly make it unique. lewrail - Sorry I loved the "Biller layout" but have no clue as to the manufacturer of the stations. I looked through my references on Carette, Ismayer and Bub and could find no matches as most of the stations pictured appeared older in architectural style so I am out of options to guess.
Best wishes all
Don
Don,
Bub is on the left, station No 1665, made 1928-1939. Front C...... (not Carette), back D......, right K......
Arne
I picked the area of 3 rail tinplate best of chosen available areas, but I wanted to reach you guys. So here it is as continued.
@Don McErlean posted:Wow what a menagerie of subjects today! Palallin - first Happy Birthday!! Best wishes hope you had a great day. You know Lionel (ever clever) sold the #45 as both Standard Gauge and O Gauge. The only difference was the section of straight track that you got with the item when new. Later they eliminated providing the track and just offered the same item to both.
Thanks, Don! Yes, the #45 and the #045, which were consolidated into the #45N. I don't think any of the #45Ns had the lattice post.
Possibly because I have a real aesthetic appreciation of trusses and lace girders, the lattice poles of all kinds appeal to me, and so I had to have this earliest version of the Gateman. Next, telegraph poles, crossing signs, etc, all based on that form. I think they will sorta tie the displays together.
Thanks for the clarification Palallin, I had forgotten about the change from "lace" to "solid" support for the crossing sign as a factor in dating the #45. I can see why you like the lace support it does provide more visual interest. You know, I have some Hornby signals and they (likely due to cost just like Lionel) switched from lace supports to solid, in their case it is mostly a pre war / post war change.
Well I wanted to continue something we had on this thread back at the beginning of the year. I posted on 1/14 and 2/27 some thoughts and pictures on the Marx FM metal diesels especially the "B" units which were much more scarce than the A. I had pictures of my Monon AA unit and my recent find, at the time, of both the 4 wheel and 8 wheel versions of the Monon B .
Robert S. Butler showed his ABA Kansas City Southern and Steve Eastman his Seaboard ABA. That would make up the entire offering from Marx, just 3 railroads. So today, I wanted to show MY most recent find, an AB (electric) version of the Marx KCS FM metal diesel unit.
This one is the 8 wheel B and it has a auto coupler on the rear, hence it was likely designed to be used in an AB configuration. I actually found that somewhat odd as I thought it was often offered with 6" or 7" cars neither of which ever used the "Pickle Fork" coupler. I found however that the 4 wheel B unit came with a plastic knuckle coupler on the rear which would match with later 6" or 7" cars. Both 4 and 8 wheel B's were made during the same time period, 1957-1960, following the A unit which was inaugurated in 1956. So I guess, Mr. Marx's scheme was the 4 wheel went with the 4 wheel cars while the 8 wheel could pull the more elaborate 8 wheel cars.
Well regardless of coupler configuration, here is my new KCS FM diesel.
Best wishes to all
Don
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