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Hello,

So i am deciding on what type of system in another forum to go with as far as DCS, TMCC, Lionel Layout Control system but i also have the questions of how often and how to wire ross track? I have heard solder the wire to the track about every 8 feet. What is the general consensus to ensure no voltage drops? I plan to run home runs of 14 gauge wire back to a distribution board that my transformer will be connected to, to ensure we have no issues with voltage drops. I plan to go a little over board with wiring about every 4 sections i add jumpers but i have seen when we talk about jumpers, gargraves has track pins with soldered pig tails going downwards so you can just solder your main electrical wire to their jumper, i could use that on ross track but have heard its better to just solder to the bottom of the track. That being said if it is solder, i have a good solder gun but what type of solder is appropriate for this and how often to tap the rails on this layout?

Also as far as control system, if the control system section doesn't handle these questions which type of layout control should i have and whats the best? I am also wondering if i need some type of rail sounds to get real effects

I know i said this is about transformers and it is, so my next question is, i have a GW-180 lionel transformer. But i thought maybe i should get a ZW-L lionel or should i go with a MTH 4000 or better? Is there any better transformers i should be looking at because i have heard the Lionel ZW-L's have been troubled and fail quick. But then i heard that could have been fixed with newer revisions of it.

Either way just looking for recommendations on this and to see if some of this can be done after laying track or i am sure its something that has to be considered and done while laying track.

I also experienced on layouts when using transformers that your electrical switches even though getting their power from the track is possible, they dont act so well when you lower the throttle on the transformer and thats probably because its like a dimmer switch and when the voltage is too low the switches dont work, so i am assuming i should be considering some consistent accessory power. I have seen where ZW-L's couple with the GW-180 type power supplies somehow or there is like an ACC power thats constant maybe on some of these.

I also am trying to figure out while this is all in consideration, some of my "toy lionel trains" IE like hogwartz express, polar express all these items that use lion chief to work their bells, whistles and sound effects how do they work with a conventional system if we go with DCC or other type of scenario, just trying to see whats compatible with what and the best way to go. I dont even know what system is more modern because you have Lionel Legacy, TMCC, LCS and DCS not sure what is the latest one to give the latest features and support me into the future and also offer all the features needed.

The layout is also posted below in this forum section

https://ogrforum.com/...plan-recommendations

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Hi Dave!  So far I am soldering power to every other Gargraves flex track joint, underneath the rails.  I solder red 18ga center, black outer, and blue on opposite outer rail to enable detection of train presence (applied dc voltage passing through train axles) in each isolated set of track pieces as desired.  The Blue wire is not necessary, and can be both black if desired or just stick with wiring one outer rail.  18ga feeders connect to 14ga buss wire via terminal strips.

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I am using solder I literally found in the middle of the street.  If it has a bit of rosin flux in it, it should work fine.  Just ask your local train dealer if you need a pointer there.

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I am using two Type 1033 transformers from the 50’s or 60’s - one 90Watt and one 75, one 1950’s ZW 275Watt, and one Troller TAC 2001 150Watt from the 1980’s for a two-level 16’x23’ L shaped layout.  One transformer for each of 4 sections of the layout.  I set them at 14V when running Lion Chief, and retain the ability to run conventional in each section.  I am running small engines on a loop-to-loop switching layout with 34” diameter minimum curves.

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Hi Dave!  So far I am soldering power to every other Ross joint, underneath the rails.  I solder red 18ga center, black outer, and blue on opposite outer rail to enable detection of train presence (applied dc voltage passing through train axles) in each isolated set of track pieces as desired.  The Blue wire is not necessary, and can be both black if desired or just stick with wiring one outer rail.  18ga feeders connect to 14ga buss wire via terminal strips.

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I am using solder I literally found in the middle of the street.  If it has a bit of flux in it, it should work fine:

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I am using two Type 1033 transformers from the 50’s or 60’s - one 90Watt and one 75, one 1950’s ZW 275Watt, and one Troller TAC 2001 150Watt from the 1980’s for a two-level 16’x23’ L shaped layout.  One transformer for each of 4 sections of the layout.  I set them at 14V when running Lion Chief, and retain the ability to run conventional in each section.

I hope that's not acid core solder !

One thing you keep mentioning and no one seems to have addressed yet is "railsounds."  Those sounds are generally created through electronic boards and speakers found in the locomotive or cars you run.  However, their activation is through your control system and will occur either through your handheld device or through transformer bell / whistle controls. (This is a very simplified explanation.)  This is also true for BPRC controlled locomotives.  Depending on the activation method you choose, not all features may be available.

Also, be wary of using older transformers with newer locomotives built with digital electronics.  Older transformers don't provide the needed protections against shorts, voltage spikes and other odd electrical events that will destroy the newer on-board electronics of your locos.  Look for forum topics about TVS and fuses for fuller discussion and recommendations.

Finally, please drop the idea of DCC in 3-rail for now.  While some engines were built by MTH with DCC compatible control, that was more so they could be used by 2-rail modelers who already have a DCC system in place.

Chuck

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