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I am quite interested in the McKeen Motor Cars, and if you know anything about them, they were futuristic in 1905, and even today still look that way, but it is obvious upon a closer look all of the minute and odd details start to stand out.  I have since become used to them, but I thought about how odd it is, in regular trains, to have two different dia. wheels.  A year or so ago I asked a question about the why there were different size wheels on Berkshires rear truck.  We will not bring that up again, but what trucks have you seen where different size wheels?  

 

Here are some photos of the McKeen motor truck that shows the wheels...

 

mckeen 528

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Some trolleys had what were known as "maximum traction trucks", in which the axle with the larger wheels had the motor, and the other axle with the smaller wheels was just there to steer the truck through curves and switches. Essentially these were two-axle cars with steerable drive wheels.

 

The trolley museum I volunteered at has a number of cars with these trucks--none are allowed to carry passengers, or otherwise venture out onto the main line without close supervision--since there is much less weight on the smaller wheels, they were prone to derailments on less-than-perfect track (i.e. anything that wasn't girder rail)

 

---PCJ

Streetcars frequently were built with drop platforms.  The maximum traction truck allowed the smaller wheels to be run outboard putting the smaller wheels under the drop platforms.  There was a lot of effort put into reducing the number of steps and getting the step as low as possible.  This sped up loading and unloading the car.  With only one motor in a truck, it was advantageous to shift as much weight as possible to the motor axle, this allowed smaller journals and wheels on the more lightly loaded axle.

 

With the development of the high speed traction motor, the motors were made smaller in diameter, so the wheels could be made smaller, and the car built closer to the street.  This improvement put an end to the drop platform car design and the need for maximum traction truck.

Interestng about the "maximum traction truck", and alleged derailment problem.  If

derailment was a problem, I would not think they would have been used, even in that

much less litigious time.  Would seem to counter the purpose of having small diameter

pilot trucks proceeding large drivers on steam engines.  Have not heard that McKeen's,

with the smaller wheels at the front of the power truck, were prone to derailing, in

spite of faults of primitive engines. I do know that double diameter truck makes scratch building a model McKeen that much more of a challenge.

Originally Posted by colorado hirailer:

Interestng about the "maximum traction truck", and alleged derailment problem.  If

derailment was a problem, I would not think they would have been used, even in that

much less litigious time.  Would seem to counter the purpose of having small diameter

pilot trucks proceeding large drivers on steam engines.  Have not heard that McKeen's,

with the smaller wheels at the front of the power truck, were prone to derailing, in

spite of faults of primitive engines. I do know that double diameter truck makes scratch building a model McKeen that much more of a challenge.

When you're running on girder rail, it's not a problem since the raised inner lip of the flangeway keeps the smaller wheels in check. From what I heard, when the cars were in service, constant use kept the trucks flexible enough to deal with occasional stretches of T-rail. In our museum, we have switches equipped with spring frogs to accommodate the variety of flange widths (streetcar, interurban, rapid-transit, etc), and the 'pony wheels' would rather climb over the railheads than push their way through.

 

---PCJ

No, the McKeen Cars smaller wheel on the motor truck was the rear unpowered
axle.  The only oddities when it came to McKeen were the first McKeen motor car, with the front of two axles powered, and the Southern Utah McKeen Car with a triple axle front truck, two drivers and one trailing axle.  All other Motor Cars used regular motor trucks (early motor trucks were I beam and cast parts, the later motor trucks were fully cast.)  "McKeen" Cars U.P. #25-30 were all built after McKeen sold the rest of the stock to the U.P.  The U.P. made those 5 motor cars from parts left over, and the last two, #29 and #30 were the least McKeen like, with flat noses, flat rear ends, square windows, EMC/Brill motor trucks.  About the only way you could tell they were McKeen without seeing the numbers is by the drop center door. 
 
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Originally Posted by colorado hirailer:

Interestng about the "maximum traction truck", and alleged derailment problem.  If

derailment was a problem, I would not think they would have been used, even in that

much less litigious time.  Would seem to counter the purpose of having small diameter

pilot trucks proceeding large drivers on steam engines.  Have not heard that McKeen's,

with the smaller wheels at the front of the power truck, were prone to derailing, in

spite of faults of primitive engines. I do know that double diameter truck makes scratch building a model McKeen that much more of a challenge.

 

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