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I have a question regarding either dwarf signals or other remote switch signals.  Consider a turnout on a single track main line that controls access to either a siding, a spur track or a branch.  If the position of the switch is located on a curve so that the divergent track is actually straight, and the main line is curved, what would the signal indication be?  If it were set for the main line, the normal position, would the switch indication be green?   Or because it was set for a turn, but away from the siding or spur, would the proper indication be red?

 

Any of you real railroad guys know of the correct ruling on this situation?

 

Paul Fischer

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Signals on the real railroad are not directly tied to the position of switches. Rather they tell the engineer either at what SPEED to operate (Speed Signals) or what ROUTE he is going to take (Route Signals.) Coincidentally the signals may change depending on how a switch is lined, but it is not just the position of the switch that dictates what signal an engineer will see.

 

It does not matter whether the main line is on the diverging route of the switch or not, the signals will indicate what speed and/or route the train will take on each route. If a train is to stay on the main line it will get a CLEAR signal (green indication) for the main track, even though that may be the diverging route of a switch, as in your example of a switch on a curve.

 

The switch targets (the little red and green flags on the switch stand itself) will show green for the main track and red for the route away from the main track, even if the main track is on the diverging route of the switch.

I am not sure if I am correct, but when my mainline curves through a switch, I consider the curve as a green since it is going in the direction of my mainline. I have a wye, where my mainline requires two of the switches to be in a diverging or curve position yet it is the main line. Perhaps others will enlighten both of us. Hope this turns out to be of help.

 

Jeff

SWITCH TARGET INDICATORS

GREEN = Main Line

RED = Route lined OFF the Main Line

It does not matter which route is straight through the switch and which route is diverging.

 

 

 

A "Real Railroad" tip...

When talking about which way a switch is set, switches are said to be "LINED" for something. If a main track switch at a siding is set for movement on the main track, is is said to be "Lined for the main." Conversely if the switch is set to move into the siding, the switch is said to be "Lined for the siding."

 

In a yard, if the switches are set for track 4, for example, the switches are said to be "Lined for track 4."

Rich:  Thank you very much for this lesson.  it's kinda what I thought but i wanted to bounce the question offa some guys that know.  I'm involved in a project to install some dwarf signals on a distant area of my layout where i'm having a problem seeing lately.  It might not be absolutely prototypical because I only have two indications for these; either red or green.  So, i don't have the ability to show amber or restricted speed.  And, as it turns out, I have several turnouts that have the main line routing going through the "divergent" course of a couple of these.  I thought that I should signal them green for main line operation and red for the siding or spur but I wasn't sure.  Anyhoo, thanx very much for your opinion and explanation. 

 

Paul F.

Rich is correct.  Many railroads used speed signaling, in which the various aspects displayed indicate the speed at which the signal may be passed, and this is always a speed that protects against derailment if the train takes the diverging route (through the turnout).  This sometimes requires 3-unit (3-head) signals.  This was used a lot by northeast railroads and by Northern Pacific.

However, there is also another type of signaling which is known as route signaling, often used on western railroads.  This used single-unit or 2-unit signals.  On a 2-unit signal, the upper unit aspect indicates what the train will do if it proceeds on the main route (not necessarily straight track).  The lower unit aspect indicates what the train will do if it takes the diverging route (which might be straight track).  There are exceptions, such as double yellow, which tells the train to pass the next signal not exceeding 30 (sometimes 40) MPH and be prepared to enter a diverging route at the prescribed speed for the turnout.  This same indication can be given by flashing yellow, or flashing yellow over red, aspects.

My suggestion is to see what the rules of the railroad you like best say, and, if it is feasible to follow that signal practice, be governed accordingly.  If you want a stand-alone signal instead of a signal system, there may be limits to the number of aspects that can be displayed, just like real railroading.

Once you know what aspect you want to display, Terry Christopher at Custom Signals can be helpful.  He is friendly, and really understands model railroading signaing.

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