There is also GPS monitoring. I've had truck deliveries at our shop, if it takes too long to unload, there was a phone call.
@Rapid Transit Holmes posted:Mellow, I suggest that you Google for autonomous transit system wrecks and shutdowns due to "glitches". There have been lots and lots of them during the past 40 years. Perhaps the most memorable being the 2009 wreck on DC's Metro system:
June_2009_Washington_Metro_train_collision
Do some digging and you'll find lots more.
You'll notice that I very carefully left out the DC system, and that was primarily because of the DC wreck. The root cause there was cited to be poor maintenance of the train detection and signaling system.
Even with that issue in DC this statement still holds true:
The computers running them have not failed. No software bugs; none hacked (because they're not on the internet, on purpose); no nuclear detonations, so no EMP.
Shutdowns are not safety issues. In fact they're an indication that the safety systems are working correctly because the vehicle comes to a safe stop, or never leaves a safe stop until it's safe to do so. This is proper operation and would be even with a human operator.
As far as I know the three systems I mentioned have had no wrecks. I may be wrong about BART but in any event my claim of million of miles of safe operation still stands.
The larger situation, even if we include all systems and not just these three, wrecks and all, is no worse than with the same kind of vehicles operated by people. For most of us that was the initial hope when the first of these, BART, was put into operation nearly 50 years ago.
I would not only call it a success, but a proven success many times over. They are safe.
Let's hope the same thing can be said for the other autonomous conveyances now being developed. All of them have an impressive target to match, with the experience accumulated by AGT's.
Mike
@Mellow Hudson Mike posted:You can believe what you want but since it's already happened on rails, been on rails for many years, and more recently in farmers' fields, it's only a matter of time.
A concept called "truck train" was introduced back in 2014 or so, which made the most sense to me. A lead truck has a driver. Several more behind it, in a line, do not. Instead each of the autonomous followers tracking, and maintaining a safe distance, follow the truck directly in front of them via radar and a radio link. The whole convoy travels like a line of elephants in a row.
To me the fact that there's a least a driver in the lead truck makes this idea more plausible.
Any thoughts?
Mike
Tesla in there Semi program is coming up with "Platooning". The lead truck will be manned and probably running in FSD (full self driving mode) Level 2 autonomy at the moment. The trailing rigs will be unmanned and will simply follow in a straight line where ever the lead truck goes. That is there plan for now. I could see them starting with yard operations and then hitting the road in the future.
I have been operating Tesla's Autopilot system for about 80,000 miles and it has evolved a lot in the last four years. I don't think anything of taking long 10-12 trips in a day using it. I may have to use the wheel one an hours to divert beyond the systems limits of the day.
Now I have driven about 10,000 miles under there FSD beta program, in which the car is doing all the driving. I just sit there and police the car. There are almost 60,000 people now using the system. The only issues I seem to have is "the other Guy" who cuts you off, fails to maintain there lane and so on. The program is to increase safety and forces us to drive safely. Tesla is running the system by the book maintain the law. There are so many variable out there to iron out. Tesla is using there AI systems to learn all the situations out there. In my opinion there are actually more issues with the current GPS maps out there than the software itself. It has been a building block experience to say the least.
One example was when Tesla activated the traffic light awareness. We would get the traffic signal on our dash, just like cab controls. we had to tap the gas pedal to approve the signal to proceed or the car would stop similar to PTC. there team collected all the types of signals out there in all the various configurations. They have since activated them and are now automatic. It won't run a red and times the yellows very good. An exception are RR crossing lights. My car will stop just fine at the crossbar. The problem it has the red lights go out, but the car won't move because there is not a green light telling the car to proceed. I simply tap the gas pedal and it will proceed.
I have no problem following another car. it is very comfortable doing that. it will maintain distance and speed. Truck platooning is probably ready if Tesla ever starts production.
Thoughts about platooning:
Very seldomly have I observed multiple trucks from the same trucking company convoying on the highways. There have been exceptions of course, but it hasn't been the majority of trucking observed.
It seems like platooning only really works when there are multiple trucks from the same origin to the same destination, for example HotShot Trucking depot "A" in Chicago to HotShot Trucking depot "B" in St. Louis.
Seems like something that works in the wilds of Australia for mining companies, but not for trucking companies that service metropolitan areas.
Or is there a plan to marshal multiple trucks from different companies into a single highway train for specific origins and destinations?
Also what happens at off ramps where some trucks make a green light what others get the red light or there isn't sufficient space in traffic to allow multiple trucks in a platoon to merge in? Does the platoon just stop and block traffic? Imagine a platoon navigating the Jane Byrne Interchange in Chicago, even on a good day...
Rusty
@Rusty Traque posted:Thoughts about platooning:
Very seldomly have I observed multiple trucks from the same trucking company convoying on the highways. There have been exceptions of course, but it hasn't been the majority of trucking observed.
It seems like platooning only really works when there are multiple trucks from the same origin to the same destination, for example HotShot Trucking depot "A" in Chicago to HotShot Trucking depot "B" in St. Louis.
I would agree or simpler or currently have Doubles and triples already running on the highways now. So why put three trucks out there. I think the idea is a sales gimmick but it gets people thinking.
Seems like something that works in the wilds of Australia for mining companies, but not for trucking companies that service metropolitan areas.
I would think it would be an initial location for real world testing. They would test with that group, revise and expand from there.
Or is there a plan to marshal multiple trucks from different companies into a single highway train for specific origins and destinations?
Also what happens at off ramps where some trucks make a green light what others get the red light or there isn't sufficient space in traffic to allow multiple trucks in a platoon to merge in? Does the platoon just stop and block traffic? Imagine a platoon navigating the Jane Byrne Interchange in Chicago, even on a good day...
The trailing trucks will stop, no question. Part of Tesla's AP evolution was to start with Highway driving only, I had to drop out of AP and then take the exit and re-engage AP. They added lane changing, then added exit ramps. Later they added divided highways and so on. Today's version I do think there adjusting yellow light timing. In previous versions if you got a yellow light the car was going to try it's best to stop, we were playing "Meet the Parents" at every yellow light. No they have adapted to How long is the Yellow by federal standards and your current speed. IT runs the math and decides what to do. It is now almost human like, and they are continuing to polish the task/event. On occasion I still get to "Meet the parents" but it is getting rare.
Tesla is very close to delivering 15 trucks to Pepsi and will be the site to watch. All of the trucks will be manned for the foreseeable future L2 autonomy in a manned vehicle. L4 could be unmanned and we are Years away from that happening, Germany just approved the first L3 vehicle and that is restricted to 35 MPH in a very limited environment. The governments are just trying to get there hands around this tech and are playing catch up. Tesla is already starting to bump heads with NHTSA and got dinged for allowing a "Jersey Stop" or a "California roll" which must satisfy seven conditions to allow it. Tesla simply turned off the feature to satisfy them. The governments are going to be creating rules to try and work this out. Many companies are spending billions on this Autonomy. Everyone is going to have to work it out and set up new standards. Bottom line these companies are working in tightly controlled rules trying not to get in accidents or sued.
I could see a spider network between the trucks to allow them to work in unison with the lead truck. Similar to the radio controls you see currently in use on today's long trainsets DPU's. Back to your original statement, I could see convoy's formed on highways and let the lead truck do the work while everyone else gets to relax in there truck. I can say when your stuck in traffic, let the computer follow the car in front of you plow the way. it really does take the stress out of driving. Tesla has SpaceX in the background, I'm sure they will figure things out, it just takes time.
Rusty
Rusty
Also as a follow up, Private property or at least non public roads is pretty much open to do what ever they want. I can currently tell my car to come get me at a store, through it summon feature. I only need to be within site, and 400', of it to work. (want to freak people out just do it, and sit back and watch). I could see these companies at the docks unloading the ships onto Autonomous trucks. The truck could simply be assigned to its storage location and get in line with the other trucks lined up at the fork lift to be unloaded and then back to the ship for the next container. That tech is probably already here and UP is looking into it.
I would much rather see the boxes go straight onto rail cars if at all possible.
@CSX FAN posted:I could see a spider network between the trucks to allow them to work in unison with the lead truck. Similar to the radio controls you see currently in use on today's long trainsets DPU's. Back to your original statement, I could see convoy's formed on highways and let the lead truck do the work while everyone else gets to relax in there truck. I can say when your stuck in traffic, let the computer follow the car in front of you plow the way. it really does take the stress out of driving. Tesla has SpaceX in the background, I'm sure they will figure things out, it just takes time.
Thanks, I appreciate your experiences and insights, although one thing about DPU's is they operate on a fixed right of way that cannot be circumvented. The variables encountered for over the road vary considerably from a railroad.
Maybe "plow the way" isn't such a good phrase for being stuck in traffic???
Anyhow, this has been a very interesting thread. I has forced me to review some of my thinking.
Rusty
And 20 minutes ago on David Muir, ABC News: Tesla driver WATCHING A MOVIE ON AUTOPILOT slams into a parked cruiser, 2 officers narrowly missed death!!
Do we blame human error?? Yes, for ever allowing this autonomous baloney to ever grow legs.....
One orher danger. Some sort of Big Brother will know where you are. And I am more worried about Big Tech because thete are no controls over them vs some with the government.
@Dominic Mazoch posted:One orher danger. Some sort of Big Brother will know where you are. And I am more worried about Big Tech because thete are no controls over them vs some with the government.
How do you think Google Maps works on a cell phone?
Rusty
You can turn off the Google tracking on a phone if you wish. Apple doesn’t advertise it, and you have to dig deep to find the setting, but it’s there.
LOL! this thread is funny. Do we have any actual truck drivers commenting? There are way too many variables for this to work.
Most trucks don't just go to one destination and then back. Drop and hook, backing up, traffic, even weather. Theres certainly no way to have autonomous doubles and tripples. Those dollies get moved by hand.
Outside of dedicating a separate highway, for all of these autonomous trucks, not gonna happen. If your gonna do that, may as well leave the cargo on the rail.
@endless tracks posted:And 20 minutes ago on David Muir, ABC News: Tesla driver WATCHING A MOVIE ON AUTOPILOT slams into a parked cruiser, 2 officers narrowly missed death!!
Do we blame human error?? Yes, for ever allowing this autonomous baloney to ever grow legs.....
1.) Yes we do. Remember, the driver is always responsible. Guess who will get the ticket in this case? The problem isn't with attempting autonomous driving. The problem is with letting your customers be your test drivers.
2.) This "autonomous baloney" started in rail almost 50 years ago with automated transit (AGT). It works just fine when designed, manufactured and operated correctly. Millions of miles and millions of passengers safely over that time. I suppose you wouldn't ride it though -- too risky even after all that proof.
Mike
I understand the questions around autonomous trucking and also the fears of another thing being automated away as far as jobs go. Leaving out the concern over lost jobs (which is a real one), the other side is worries about the technology, and those are real. I personally don't think autonomous driver technology on a broad scale is a good thing at this point, I think there are real questions about that. Actually one of the hardest problems for autonomous driving isn't bad weather (we could restrict operation in bad weather), it is the fact that they coexist on roads with human beings who do irrational things, like back up on a highway to get to a missed exit ramp, or weave on the road because they are texting, or they drop hot coffee in their lap and the car goes out of control, an autonomous vehicle would have to handle that (or the worse, grandpa in the left lane doing 50 in a 65 and his friend in the next land doing 50 and their other friend in the third lane doing 50, all neatly lined up).
The example someone gave of the Tesla is the perfect example, and yes, they should get a ticket. First of all, watching a movie when driving is illegal, in cars with video screens capable of streaming they usually were for back seat occupants only, the main video screen was not to be used for that (how Tesla was allowed to do that by the NHTSA, I don't know, should be something that says that only can be used if car is not moving or something). The idiot behind the wheel in this case was the guilty party, with autonomous driving of any kind, despite what commercials show, the operator is supposed to be ready to take over quickly if need be, not sitting back sleeping, not watching a movie or texting. Those truck commercials with the idiots with their hands off the wheel (GM, who else?) clapping while driving is a classic example of it. The same thing happened with cruise control, where people had their feet up or some such, and rammed into something because they couldn't get to the brake pedal to disengauge it and take over.
and sure, any time there is an accident with an autonomous vehicle, it will make headlines, the opponents will use that to prove how bad an idea it is. But how many accidents are caused each day by human drivers? How many accidents does a human being have per 100,000 miles verses autonomous vehicles (and obviously, this data is not out there for autonomous vehicles). How many trucking accidents happen because a driver dozes off because they have been driving too long? How many accidents happen because they are distracted, or are driving in poor road conditions and shouldn't be? How many trucks flip over because the driver went around a corner too fast? In many of these cases an autonomous vehicle won't do the same thing, can't, because unlike a human being, their rules they operate by are hard coded.
Personally I could see where autonomous trucks are used as a hybrid with a human driver, to take off some of the stress of driving, especially long distance trucking, where they can take over if need be, or to use it to take a break in a sense. The BART system in the bay area has human drivers for just that reason, the trains are otherwise driven automatically.
Again, I am not advocating for autonomous driving, what I am saying is that if we are going to talk about accidents involving autonomous vehicles, where they are at fault, we would also need to compare them to human drivers. Human drivers certainly aren't perfect, the real question is are autonomous vehicles as safe or less safe than human drivers?
@Rich Melvin posted:You can turn off the Google tracking on a phone if you wish. Apple doesn’t advertise it, and you have to dig deep to find the setting, but it’s there.
You can, but while that may stop google from tracking you, government entities can still track you other ways if the phone is on, through the pings to cell towers and the like. There reputedly was also tech in phones that if the phone is turned off, there is still a part of it active and can be tracked or turned on remotely to track it. Back in the day it was easy to remove the battery and that would solve that, these days.
Great letter, BIGKID. All good points, especially about human error. Meanwhile, closer to home, I have spent too many years of my career hooking compressed air up to robots. People remark all the time about jobs lost to this country or that country. Phoey. I have no guilt, as someone "had to do it", but compassion for all the empty work stations that robotics have given us.
For Mike, 100+ years after motor cars came into being, all too many are being driven daily by test drivers: humans.
I have ridden countless automous trains, and they are a marvel. I feel safe, and have never seen an sort of incident. Maybe because they're on tracks??? But the subject du jour is automonous trucking. The only one in the forseable future to garner a *happy ending* with them will be Wall Street.
Guys. Just remember just because new technologies happen, they don't all reach universal acceptance or success, no matter how much money is poured into them.
Remember Segways? Google Glass? Drone deliveries to your front door?
Rusty
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.u...ion/2002/SB0385.html
Many other states banned them on sidewalks, but since they were invented in New Hampshire, public safety was the last consideration. I dont know why my text is underlined....I'm just a test rabbit
Most if not all Automated Transit, passenger and freight, was built that way from the ground up and/or in sealed corridors. I can see that. Mixing this onto conventual roadways...? Not ready for prime time. Not today...
@bigkid posted:I understand the questions around autonomous trucking and also the fears of another thing being automated away as far as jobs go. Leaving out the concern over lost jobs (which is a real one), the other side is worries about the technology, and those are real. I personally don't think autonomous driver technology on a broad scale is a good thing at this point, I think there are real questions about that. Actually one of the hardest problems for autonomous driving isn't bad weather (we could restrict operation in bad weather), it is the fact that they coexist on roads with human beings who do irrational things, like back up on a highway to get to a missed exit ramp, or weave on the road because they are texting, or they drop hot coffee in their lap and the car goes out of control, an autonomous vehicle would have to handle that (or the worse, grandpa in the left lane doing 50 in a 65 and his friend in the next land doing 50 and their other friend in the third lane doing 50, all neatly lined up). Few people know that the left lane is for passing only yet people park in that lane all the time. Under the current version of FSD, I can only use the lane to pass, it will nag me to approve a lane change and get to the right. If we could only get that tech in the three old guys cars noted above. Tesla is constantly posting miles traveled in FSD or AP vs traditional drivers. the rate is well under half of human drivers. FSD is still claiming no accidents with almost 60K drivers out there. FSD is L2 autonomy in there full self driving. AP is Tesla's Auto Pilot it is adaptive cruse control and lane centering.
To clarify early. Both FSD and AP require torque on the steering wheel to operate. FSD requires an inward facing camera unobstructed watching the drivers eyes. IF the driver as so much as looks at there phones the alarms go off and repeat offenders are disqualified from using the product. FSD is new and requires your full attention and concentration. Tesla advertises FSD WILL SCREW UP when you least expect it. You better be ready to take over. The warning is still there and enforced, but it has gotten ALOT better as AI and NN learn and adapt. The rules and limitations required to operate Tesla's systems or GM up and coming Super Cruise will cause them not to sell once people learn of the restrictions that come along with these products. Ford and GM advertise what 60K miles of areas that there cars can operate in the US. That is only the largest of the US interstate highways. it can't even change lanes. It is severely limited.
The example someone gave of the Tesla is the perfect example, and yes, they should get a ticket. First of all, watching a movie when driving is illegal, in cars with video screens capable of streaming they usually were for back seat occupants only, the main video screen was not to be used for that (how Tesla was allowed to do that by the NHTSA, I don't know, should be something that says that only can be used if car is not moving or something). The idiot behind the wheel in this case was the guilty party, with autonomous driving of any kind, despite what commercials show, the operator is supposed to be ready to take over quickly if need be, not sitting back sleeping, not watching a movie or texting. Those truck commercials with the idiots with their hands off the wheel (GM, who else?) clapping while driving is a classic example of it. The same thing happened with cruise control, where people had their feet up or some such, and rammed into something because they couldn't get to the brake pedal to disengauge it and take over.
Yes the dummy who got killed in AP was watching a movie on a lap top, he had an illegal counter measure to satisfy Tesla's wheel holding requirement. (A Weighted magnet) Tesla has also added the inward facing camera. I think it is the humans causing the problems more than the technology.
As for the fire truck strike, what was it 8000 EMS vehicle's were struck by cars only 12 were Tesla's. All the Tesla's were distracted drivers not paying attention in AP mode not FSD, but Tesla makes the news every time. Tesla wanting to improve the technology, now look for the EMS Strobes, when detected the cars slows down and activate there emergency flashers and change lanes, and notifies all other Tesla's within its range so they will also slow down. I can post a video if anyone wants to see it.
NHTSA quickly shut down all front seat "passenger" gaming and or video's on all brands. Netflix, Hulu and other streaming services available in Tesla's are only allowed in rear seat while the car is in drive. Front seat features are available while the car is in park. This shows how NHTSA is falling behind the advancements in the Automotive industry. They need to catch up fast.
Tesla created these features to entertain drivers who are stopped and Super charging for 30-40 minutes.
and sure, any time there is an accident with an autonomous vehicle, it will make headlines, the opponents will use that to prove how bad an idea it is. But how many accidents are caused each day by human drivers? How many accidents does a human being have per 100,000 miles verses autonomous vehicles (and obviously, this data is not out there for autonomous vehicles). How many trucking accidents happen because a driver dozes off because they have been driving too long? How many accidents happen because they are distracted, or are driving in poor road conditions and shouldn't be? How many trucks flip over because the driver went around a corner too fast? In many of these cases an autonomous vehicle won't do the same thing, can't, because unlike a human being, their rules they operate by are hard coded. Totally agree,
Personally I could see where autonomous trucks are used as a hybrid with a human driver, to take off some of the stress of driving, especially long distance trucking, where they can take over if need be, or to use it to take a break in a sense. The BART system in the bay area has human drivers for just that reason, the trains are otherwise driven automatically.
Again, I am not advocating for autonomous driving, what I am saying is that if we are going to talk about accidents involving autonomous vehicles, where they are at fault, we would also need to compare them to human drivers. Human drivers certainly aren't perfect, the real question is are autonomous vehicles as safe or less safe than human drivers? Agree and Tesla tries to educate people doing just this. Tesla points out how this technology is improving safety for everyone.
@Dominic Mazoch posted:Most if not all Automated Transit, passenger and freight, was built that way from the ground up and/or in sealed corridors. I can see that. Mixing this onto conventual roadways...? Not ready for prime time. Not today...
Dominic,
It appears that your analysis is based on "gut feel" rather than hard evidence.
Yes, the systems you mentioned were built that way from the ground up (which is an important point and a distinct advantage) but when they were under development there were also naysayers galore, with the same claim as you: "It will never happen.", yet it did.
And when diesel locomotives were entering the scene they were met with the very same message. Did they succeed, and in the end take over fully from steam? Yes.
There are always naysayers.
You're absolutely correct that dedicated corridors are helpful to reduce the complexity of the control system, but each iteration of autonomy makes this a less necessary requirement.
Should general passenger rail be next rather than automobiles and trucks? How about the next Acela (third generation) in the NEC. Isn't the NEC already essentially a dedicated corridor?
I'll concede one thing: For guaranteed safety with this technology baby steps are required before walking. No leapfrogging, or people will get hurt.
Unfortunately, there's too much attempted leapfrogging going on right now for my taste.
Mike
Some Icom HF/Shortwave radios had to be modified so they could not show TV/Vids on the front screen so to satisfy front seatblaws.
I think it isvthe current 7300.
@CSX FAN posted:Yes the dummy who got killed in AP was watching a movie on a lap top, he had an illegal counter measure to satisfy Tesla's wheel holding requirement. (A Weighted magnet) Tesla has also added the inward facing camera. I think it is the humans causing the problems more than the technology.
The thing is: Distracted driving is nothing new.
When I was a computer service guy (back when we had room-filling wood burning computers) my customers were spread all over the Chicago area. I would see all kinds of distracted driving on the local roads and highways: Eating (OK, I'm guilty of that myself,) women putting on makeup, the driver reading a book, or even worse a newspaper and drivers doing paperwork. It didn't matter if it was rush hour or midday. All while driving and this was before cell phones, laptops and other electronic conveniences.
Rusty
I am not against AI just to be against AI. But all my life I have seen "over promise and under deliver".
Tesla right now fits the above.
@Dominic Mazoch posted:I am not against AI just to be against AI. But all my life I have seen "over promise and under deliver".
Tesla right now fits the above.
I have my own reservations about autonomous driving and I think Tesla has been allowed to skirt the rules, but given other companies are now introducing self driving features (watch tv ads for pickup trucks and such), it is happening. I think with trucks it is going to be very limited, for obvious reasons, among which is if an autonomous truck gets into an accident and people are killed, the owner of the truck and the maker will probably assumed to have vicarious liability by a jury (a judge would likely not grant that), even if the truck performed right and the cause was let's say a human driver.
On the other hand most new technology of any kind, if you look at past history, has done that as well. Early cars, early airplanes, early steamboats, all promised a lot more than they could deliver in many ways. Early TV was fraught, early radio had problems, kind of comes with the territory. That said given the risk and danger factor with autonomous driving it means caution is warranted. The biggest problem autonomous units face is either the unexpected, like weather events, or on the roads that fact that many human drivers are not exactly paradigms of good driving.
@Dominic Mazoch posted:I am not against AI just to be against AI. But all my life I have seen "over promise and under deliver".
Tesla right now fits the above.
Dominic,
Define "underdeliver".
You have a good point. I'd say it's 50/50 right now.
Tesla's autonomous driving is not here yet, but it has certainly delivered on the electric car piece. They have sold nearly 10 times what they were expected to sell when the first one came off the line, and have made a small, but substantial dent in the market. It's enough to wake all their competitors up and send the global car business into a completely new direction, even though Tesla's product quality is as poor as that of the U.S. automakers in the 1970's.
Why? Because the world has changed dramatically. Many, many people didn't see this coming. Today's consumers will now tolerate bad quality because being green is somehow much, much more important. And, it's not a fluke. This is Tesla's 13th year in production. If quality was important Tesla wouldn't have made it even halfway.
Will consumers be just as crazy about self-driving cars? It remains to be seen.
Presently, on autonomous control Elon Musk is indeed overpromising and underdelivering. But in the long run I wouldn't underestimate him, because of his success so far with the electric propulsion, and the space business (with SpaceX) as well for that matter.
Mike
@Mellow Hudson Mike posted:Dominic,
It appears that your analysis is based on "gut feel" rather than hard evidence.
Yes, the systems you mentioned were built that way from the ground up (which is an important point and a distinct advantage) but when they were under development there were also naysayers galore, with the same claim as you: "It will never happen.", yet it did.
And when diesel locomotives were entering the scene they were met with the very same message. Did they succeed, and in the end take over fully from steam? Yes.
There are always naysayers.
Mike
Not really an apples to apples comparison. Diesel engines didn't drive themselves,and they still don't. The concept of train moving was still the same.
@Mellow Hudson Mike posted:Presently, on autonomous control Elon Musk is indeed overpromising and underdelivering. But in the long run I wouldn't underestimate him, because of his success so far with the electric propulsion, and the space business (with SpaceX) as well for that matter.
Mike
You do know SpaceX has had some rather spectacular failures over the years... The latest being failure of possibly 40 of the 49 Starlink satellites launched February 3rd, 2022 thanks to a geomagnetic storm.
Makes one wonder how autonomous trucks will fare in earthbound storms.
Rusty
@RickO posted:Not really an apples to apples comparison. Diesel engines didn't drive themselves,and they still don't. The concept of train moving was still the same.
It certainly is.
My point wasn't about comparing specific technologies. It was about naysayers, then now, and always.
It's not a technical thing. It's an emotional one.
Naysayers will always be naysayers. When the future proves them wrong on their present prognostication they'll just move on to another one. There's plenty of fodder.
The worst part is that social media excels as a platform for cultivating 'nay'.
On the other hand, it's also a good forum for journalists to report on what they'd like to have happen instead of what's really happening.
As a result of both of these you can look at the buzz on autonomous conveyances either way, and you'd be right.
Mike
With self driving cars and trucks, would it be a good idea to have common standard for the system? Different companies can buildvthe stuff, but all could talk to one another.
@Dominic Mazoch posted:With self driving cars and trucks, would it be a good idea to have common standard for the system? Different companies can buildvthe stuff, but all could talk to one another.
They need to standardize the charging ports first...
Rusty
@Rusty Traque posted:They need to standardize the charging ports first...
Rusty
Star small. Like cell phones.
