Here you go. I watch it yesterday on YT and left a comment.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...ature=em-uploademail

Gary 🚂

From the UP Steam Club.... A very impressive photo...

Gary 🚂

Not a surprise.

Rusty

Oh well, here’s to next year. 👍🏼

I mean in the scheme of things, who cares!

@david1 posted:

I mean in the scheme of things, who cares!

One think that the employees working for UP at the Cheyenne Steam Shop care.

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Has Ed Dickens blamed Steve Lee for the shutdown yet?

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@Nick Chillianis posted:

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Has Ed Dickens blamed Steve Lee for the shutdown yet?

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Good one!  I'll have to ask Steve. Everything else has been blamed on the previous steam crew. Check out that explanation in a recent Trains Magazine, which tries to answer the question of what that steam discharge under the right side of the cab on 4014, is. I haven't seen so many lies in such a few paragraphs, in a Trains Magazine in a very long time.

@Hot Water posted:

Good one!  I'll have to ask Steve. Everything else has been blamed on the previous steam crew. Check out that explanation in a recent Trains Magazine, which tries to answer the question of what that steam discharge under the right side of the cab on 4014, is. I haven't seen so many lies in such a few paragraphs, in a Trains Magazine in a very long time.

I saw it, Jack, and commented on it on T.O. (I'm Yankingeorgia over there)

His lies are just plain sickening.

I dropped "Trains" like a bad habit.

Their lipstick is all over the seat of Ed's overalls.

They've gotta dispose of all those DVDs of 4014 drifting with the cylinder cocks open, don't you know.

@Nick Chillianis posted:

I saw it, Jack, and commented on it on T.O. (I'm Yankingeorgia over there)

His lies are just plain sickening.

I dropped "Trains" like a bad habit.

Their lipstick is all over the seat of Ed's overalls.

They've gotta dispose of all those DVDs of 4014 drifting with the cylinder cocks open, don't you know.

On the trip west for the big bash out in Utah, last year, the piston rod packing was blowing pretty bad. As much as they worked on it enroute, they couldn't get it stopped. The eventual cause was found to be a miscalculation of total piston rod travel through the packing, so when the piston rods were sent out to be re-ground, the full length of the rod travel wasn't ground, thus tearing up the metallic packing, every stroke.

Edit:

By the way, what issue of Trains Magazine was that farce published in?

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Did they have a steam program in 2019? If so, I must have missed it. I saw some diesels shoving a big, black machine of some kind around the railroad, but a steam program? I don't think so.

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Jack thanks for advising us. We missed the announcement.

I am glad to see that of the 1 million people who Ed said saw the engine last season only 5 - 6 on here didn’t enjoy it.

In our part of the country the masses, us included,  would be delighted to be able to see steam again. It has been quite a while since the 611 derailed in the Swamp coming west from Norfolk.

@Hot Water posted:

On the trip west for the big bash out in Utah, last year, the piston rod packing was blowing pretty bad. As much as they worked on it enroute, they couldn't get it stopped. The eventual cause was found to be a miscalculation of total piston rod travel through the packing, so when the piston rods were sent out to be re-ground, the full length of the rod travel wasn't ground, thus tearing up the metallic packing, every stroke.

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By the way, what issue of Trains Magazine was that farce published in?

I know about the rod packing (although I didn't know the reason until you explained it) but he also had the cylinder cocks open much of the time too, more than I've ever seen them open on any other locomotive by any other engineer. Probably because the engine was drifting most of the time and thus producing little if any superheat, thereby causing water in the cylinders due to condensation.

As for the article, I saw it on Frisco1522's post on this thread. I don't subscribe to or read "Trains".

@Rich Melvin posted:

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Did they have a steam program in 2019? If so, I must have missed it. I saw some diesels shoving a big, black machine of some kind around the railroad, but a steam program? I don't think so.

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Rich, that big black thing was a 600 ton "Guided Whistle Cruiser" complete with a bobblehead Casey Jones figurine on the right hand seatbox.

I am so glad I had a chance to see the 4014 and 844 running together, returning home from Ogden last May.  This was a special weekend for me.  I look forward to future opportunities in the coming years.  Thank you Union Pacific!

Glenn

At least I saw the 4141 on her last runs!  

@Nick Chillianis posted:

Rich, that big black thing was a 600 ton "Guided Whistle Cruiser" complete with a bobblehead Casey Jones figurine on the right hand seatbox.

LOL!!  

I have my own reservations about the UP Steam program and some of their operating tactics but I will say I was on hand at the Duluth Depot in MN to see 4014 creep into the station under her own power and detached from all of the train except the auxiliary tender.  The diesel and office cars were left further down the line.

I say creep because she was moving at a very slow pace.  The explanation being that they were unsure of that amount of weight on the quality of rail.  Do have to wonder, although quite some time ago, didn't the Yellowstones move to the ore docks over those same routes?

There's a positive side to everything.  The wheels won't be slid flat this year.

@Number 90 posted:

There's a positive side to everything.  The wheels won't be slid flat this year.

Now THAT is funny!  I mean REALLY funny!

Especially since both auxiliary water tenders now have some flat spots, only on the truck with the hand brake. Go figure. 

@Number 90 posted:

There's a positive side to everything.  The wheels won't be slid flat this year.

LOL...again!

Good one, Tom. Loved it.

I notice the UP steam online store only has  4014 items now.    No 844 souvenirs.   I wonder what that means for the future of 844...

@Brian DeFazio posted:

I notice the UP steam online store only has  4014 items now.    No 844 souvenirs.   I wonder what that means for the future of 844...

Good question. The current manager doesn't like to go fast anyway, and we've all seen what happened to 3985, so you have a very valid question. Only time will tell.

All right, I know I am going to get mocked. Crazy idea. How about 1 short trip next year with the 4014 and 844 hauling the 3985 dead in tow (cold) behind the 844. (or the bottle tenders) It would appear to be a triple header! They could have a year to prepare. The UP could out do them self's! And us 3985 fans could at least see the locomotive in movement one last time. The best happy medium a 3985 fan could expect. They could use 4014's tender, since it won't be holding any liquids. Again you would get people from all over the US to see that. Make it the 3985 final run. At least something to think about. Maybe Cheyenne to Denver?

Laugh away!

@Chuck Sartor posted:

All right, I know I am going to get mocked. Crazy idea. How about 1 short trip next year with the 4014 and 844 hauling the 3985 dead in tow (cold) behind the 844. It would appear to be a triple header! They could have a year to prepare. The UP could out do them self's! And us 3985 fans could at least see the locomotive in movement one last time. The best happy medium a 3985 fan could expect. Again you would get people from all over the US to see that. Make it the 3985 final run. At least something to think about. Maybe Cheyenne to Denver?

Laugh away!

Chuck, just 2 points to consider:

1) The 4014 now has the tender from 3985, and the "original" tender from 4014 has NOT been rebuilt.

2) A steam locomotive can not be towed dead with the main rods attached, since without steam there would be no lubrication for the valves & pistons.

However, I'm not laughing!

I can see where lube to the cylinders would be a problem. But as much as Ed is beat down on this forum (and others), he is a very intelligent man and I would bet if he and his crew were given the task, they could find a way at minimal cost.

@Chuck Sartor posted:

I can see where lube to the cylinders would be a problem. But as much as Ed is beat down on this forum (and others), he is a very intelligent man and I would bet if he and his crew were given the task, they could find a way at minimal cost.

Why would he even want to? He hates the 3985, and has said so many times, to a number of folks I know personally.

Well like I said, it's just a pipe dream.

@Chuck Sartor posted:

I can see where lube to the cylinders would be a problem. But as much as Ed is beat down on this forum (and others), he is a very intelligent man and I would bet if he and his crew were given the task, they could find a way at minimal cost.

There's no such thing as "minimal cost" regarding a steam locomotive in the 21st century, be it dead or alive.

Rusty

Well, one thought is a small portable boiler (like steam cleaning) in the tool car to provide steam to the cylinders for lubrication (oil and water mix) purposes only. A short flexible coupling to the locomotive. Again,this just a random thought, as much as I wish, the probably is next to 0.

@Chuck Sartor posted:

All right, I know I am going to get mocked. Crazy idea. How about 1 short trip next year with the 4014 and 844 hauling the 3985 dead in tow (cold) behind the 844. (or the bottle tenders) It would appear to be a triple header! 

There you have it. 

Ed probably could have just given 4014 a fresh paint job and put dry ice in the stack and shoved it around and folks would be just as thrilled. Not unlike that Thomas the tank that goes around.

The phrase "all show and no go" comes to mind. 

Look at all the excitement when it was dragged cold and dead with an air whistle.

Which steamer was it that was dragged around horseshoe curve in the dark?... and folks were pandering to see it...it the dark...rusted, cold, and dead...really?

Well, I have a question for all the Ed critics here. If Ed was not a part of the steam program, Steve Lee would be retired by now and the next likely to take over would be Lynn Nystrum, and he is deceased as you know, who now would be running the Cheyenne show? Would the next manager have tackled the rebuilding the 4014 and 844?

@Number 90 posted:

There's a positive side to everything.  The wheels won't be slid flat this year.

I thought that was with 844 with 1982 doing most of the damage!

And did the aux tender trucks have the indicator which tells if the breaks are set?

Once again emotions get involved.....same crew same personal comments.  Topic closed and will be deleted.