UP Sleepers

Good point.  I missed the opportunity to have a Santa Fe Pine-series Budd sleeper because I failed to act on the 1951 Super Chief, and would be glad to have an opportunity to correct that bad decision.  And Union Pacific Pacific-series sleepers were numerous and very much in evidence on UPRR trains of the 1960's and '70's.  Maybe we should have brought this up with Scott Mann when he announced the Sunset.  Oh, well . . .

Number 90 posted:

Good point.  I missed the opportunity to have a Santa Fe Pine-series Budd sleeper because I failed to act on the 1951 Super Chief, and would be glad to have an opportunity to correct that bad decision.  And Union Pacific Pacific-series sleepers were numerous and very much in evidence on UPRR trains of the 1960's and '70's.  Maybe we should have brought this up with Scott Mann when he announced the Sunset.  Oh, well . . .

If you're saying what I think you're saying, I guess I'll have to wait for Scott to do it. Maybe someone who knows something about the Sunset Limited and SP can answer the question about road-specific details. 

AmeenTrainGuy posted:

I know someone who might be able to help you on knowing the diffrences I will give him a call and see what he says.

Thank you! I really appreciate it. Getting an answer from a knowledgeable person is very helpful as the extra 10-6 sleepers for the Sunset Limited will probably sell out.

AmeenTrainGuy posted:

According to him:

"They are not correct for UP. The number board on the SP cars is much taller and not as wide as the name board used by UP. THE SP board is made to accommodate the Sunset Limited logo above the letters SP and the four digit car number. The UP cars were all named in the Pacific Series such as Pacific Beach, Pacific Waters, etc. the name plate was only tall enough for the letters and was much longer than the SP board."

Does that help?

Yes, that is very helpful. Thank you for taking the time to get an answer. I will wait to see if GGD does them in the future. 

The other issues include Budd fluting is which is not universal, window patterns and corresponding floor plans, and details such as truck type.  The SP Sunset Limited has the same fluting as the Congressional which was done by GGD several years back now.  Name plates and other details are add on so they aren't that much of an issue.

UP's Pacific series cars were built to Pullman plan 9522 between 1949 and 1950.

There is this option of course though in the a prototype for everything ...

GG1 4877 posted:

The other issues include Budd fluting is which is not universal, window patterns and corresponding floor plans, and details such as truck type.  The SP Sunset Limited has the same fluting as the Congressional which was done by GGD several years back now.  Name plates and other details are add on so they aren't that much of an issue.

UP's Pacific series cars were built to Pullman plan 9522 between 1949 and 1950.

There is this option of course though in the a prototype for everything ...

I did see that alternative option but I would prefer to have an exact prototype for what I want to do, which is get an accurate base for a Pacific Sands repaint. Pacific Sands is used in charter service on Amtrak trains near me. 

This level of detail is usually of interest on the 3-rail scale forum.  I have a number of Budd cars in different configurations, but was unaware of this one.  That really does appear to be a larger letterboard than other Budd cars.

If you really have to have an exact car you could start with a Mac Shops extrusion and remove a corrugation or two above the window area.  A lot of work - i did such a thing exactly once, using an end mill.

bob2 posted:

This level of detail is usually of interest on the 3-rail scale forum.  I have a number of Budd cars in different configurations, but was unaware of this one.  That really does appear to be a larger letterboard than other Budd cars.

If you really have to have an exact car you could start with a Mac Shops extrusion and remove a corrugation or two above the window area.  A lot of work - i did such a thing exactly once, using an end mill.

That is an idea however I lack the talent and equipment required to do something like that. I'm also still shopping for a custom painter who would have to paint the extrusion or repaint a correct model. Being the rivet counter I am I do want to have an exact model. I only ever compromise when there is little to no likelihood a correct model will be made. That said, I think Golden Gate Depot may do the correct model in the future as they've done Pullman Std 10-6 sleepers in UP colors before, and from what I understand those sold well. I don't see anything stopping them other than the need for reservations.

There is always a chance that we would run these at GGD.  The Pullman Standard 10-6's and 4-4-2's though were generic cars to be able to offer enough paint schemes to make the run justifiable.  More likely, these might work well in a UP "Cities" set.  Amtrak purchased 43 of these so there are two road names.  I wonder what other roads used this particular car?  If there are enough road names, the single car approach may work too as it did in the Slumbercoaches.

I've discussed doing these in brass with Scott along with other passenger cars to come up with the minimum.  We've discussed doing 6-6-4s, SP 3/4 domes and Viewliners as possible other cars.  These would be comparable to Wasatch cars.  If we can come up with 50 reservations for five different cars to sell at ~$800 each Scott seems OK with that.  

lets have Scott put in on the web site and see how many orders we can get I'm in

I too am with Genesisfan99. At a $1,000.00 per car is too steep! Even $800.00 per car - with Roller Bearings.  But a 5 car set of  Amtrak Viewliners for $800.00 total -I Am IN! Still Waiting for my GGD Amtrak Superdome to convince me otherwise!

I hope any future run of PRR Solarium cars don't cost that much either!

I obviously was not clear.  I need to come up with $200K worth of cars.  There is simply not the market for any of the alternative individual cars presented that comes up with that minimum.  And without that minimum it will not happen.  Cheaper cars requires a higher number of cars.

Being 16 and popping for $800 3-rail cars is not a common occurrence.  I think when I was 16 I was dreaming of building a 1/2 scale F9F-5 that I could fly.

Reality sets in about half a decade later.

I have been a 2-railer since I was ten.  I am delighted to say that the K-Line 21" UP cars are more than realistic enough for me.  I do have an Armour Yellow Budd car somewhere - I will try for an iPad shot for you Friday.

Been following for the last few days.

The Wasatch cars are awesome and if you've never saw a set in person, they'll change your perspective on accurate UP passenger cars.  Not for the faint of heart, but incredible models.  The Seacrest collection offered at least one of each car produced.  Still kicking myself...

In the meantime, my K Line 21" cars serve the purpose until another run of accurate UP cars are produced.

RDUNNIII, Just curious, would a cheaper medium, such as Al or ABS plastic reduce the price much?  I'm guessing not, as there's still dyes and machinery involved to produce the cars.

BTW, thanks for all the hard work you and Scott have done.  It makes the hobby a better place due to that effort.

86TA355SR posted:

Been following for the last few days.

The Wasatch cars are awesome and if you've never saw a set in person, they'll change your perspective on accurate UP passenger cars.  Not for the faint of heart, but incredible models.  The Seacrest collection offered at least one of each car produced.  Still kicking myself...

In the meantime, my K Line 21" cars serve the purpose until another run of accurate UP cars are produced.

RDUNNIII, Just curious, would a cheaper medium, such as Al or ABS plastic reduce the price much?  I'm guessing not, as there's still dyes and machinery involved to produce the cars.

BTW, thanks for all the hard work you and Scott have done.  It makes the hobby a better place due to that effort.

 

Well the thing with Wasatch stuff is figuring out how to 3 rail it, and do so without doing anything permanent. I'd try to find them if 3 railing them wasn't so much of a hassle and the price wasn't so high. 

Well I guess I'll just wait for somebody to make these cars. Pacific Sands, Bend, and Cape will stay on the wishlist.

You’re going to 3 rail a $1300 passenger car? Some people would string you up for that. Not me, I’m not a rivet counter and close enough works for me but you might find it much easier to compromise than it is to get money for such endeavors.

I bought some high end 2R locomotives to convert to 3R many years ago.  When I took them out of the box, I just couldn't do it...they were works of art and stunning.  That opened a whole new world of the hobby to me-2R O SCALE!

Perhaps that'll occur for you.

The other factor was converting a $4,000 MSRP model into a $100 model...

rattler21 posted:

rdunniii posted:

I obviously was not clear.  I need to come up with $200K worth of cars.  There is simply not the market for any of the alternative individual cars presented that comes up with that minimum.  And without that minimum it will not happen.  Cheaper cars requires a higher number of cars.

If you have $200,000 and you want to get into serious model railroading, I recommend you fly to Chicago and attend The March Meet.  Kohs, Dan Pantera, 3rd Rail and a few other big hitters will be in one room and will be glad to listen to your needs and give you rock solid advice and appraise you of problems they think you may have.  John in Lansing, ILL

Richard is well connected with 3rd Rail already.   

I think Richard has been to the Chicago March Meet, I'm pretty sure I met him there. Or maybe that was some other train hippie i met