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I finished my MTH Catenary setup and got it working.  For a test vehicle, I am using my childhood, 2329 Virginian Rectifier.  This has very low time on it had not been run in about 50 years.  I moved the wire from the pickup rollers to the lug for the catenary inside the shell (it required a short extension).  The locomotive runs very well under the catenary, but arcs/sparks, not where the skid meets the catenary, but where the horizontal bars/rods connects the upper half of the pantograph to the lower.  This is very bright and gets very hot.  It actually glows!  It does this at both rods (in the front and the rear of the pantograph) but not usually at the same time.  The pin/rod is a pretty loose fit in the stamped portion of the pantograph.

I am thinking that I may solder a wire from the skid to the base of the pantograph to eliminate this.

Has anyone else run into this?

 

Thank you all in advance!

 

 

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MTH Catenary is rigid wire.  If you see sparks, the pan does not have enough pressure on the wire.  What height did you put your contact wire at?  The point of contact  should be 5 1/8 inches over the center rail.   John is correct on the soldered wire.  I run many hundred feet of catenary wire and each piece is soldered to the next.  When Mike was considering catenary as a product he came to study my wire.  The one thing I told him on using sectional catenary was to use very rigid poles.  The MTH wire could be about an inch shorter in length.   When you take time with the MTH catenary, you can do a good job and make it work very good.  Sectional catenary is great for O gauge use.  I have seen a few fine scale catenary systems and it does not look good when the pan is riding under the wire pushing it skyward as the engine moves along.  It reminds me of people doing the wave at a football game.  It may look pretty but it ends there.  Copper or brass contact wire  can wear out.  You will never wear out MTH sectional wire.  

A few guys have built beautiful looking non functional catenary systems.  To me, if it does not take current from the wire it does nothing for me.  To each his own.  

Rak, as far as your pan getting hot, here is what you need to do.  Solder a wire to the bottom of the contact shoe on your pan and solder the other end on the base of the pan.  You already figured this out.  Good observation on your part.  The idea of the pan mechanism is to put the contact shoe on the wire.  The pan mechanism is not for carrying current but to raise the contact shoe to make contact with the catenary wire.  The way you are doing it now adds to your sparking.

If I can be of any help, feel free to hit my email.    I have a large fleet of electric locomotives and NONE of them have third rail pick up rollers under them.  

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Thank you all for the answers!

I will run a very flexible wire from the skid/shoe to the base of the pantograph.

Marty, Thank you for the additional info and the offer of additional help.  Your layout is beautiful! There is no issue with sparking between the skid and the catenary (I had actually hoped to see a few sparks there).  It is just at the joints in the pantograph.

The height of the wire was set using a postwar 2340 with the pantograph slightly depressed.  This is a bit too low to look right for my MTH scale electrics (Bipolar and Little Joe) but was a compromise in order to be able to have the catenary actually power my postwar locomotives.

https://youtu.be/XiDAjMAbgAE

The MTH Bipolar in the video is not powered by the catenary, but it gives an idea as to the height of the catenary.

 

 

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Remember, the Bi Polar car body sits very high off the rails and the pan will be depressed.  The height I threw out was the result of many hours/days of experimenting.  Some pans look great and others like the Bi Polar have a compressed pan.  On ALL MTH pans, the pan springs must be replaced with stronger springs to hold the contact shoe on the wire.  Using sectional catenary if you see any spark you must correct it.  Sparks on sectional catenary are a result of a bad joint or not enough pressure on the wire with the pan.   Yes, sparks look cool but you do not want them with sectional catenary.  I ran a new Lionel GG-1 under my wire and that sparking looked very cool.  I am currently working on how to get that effect on pans other than Lionel.  

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Gentlemen,  I ran the the flexible wire discussed above from the base of the pantograph to the underside of the shoe/skid.  The pantograph no longer glows at the joints and the engine runs better (which makes sense).  It is pretty much spark free where the skid touches the catenary, so I think I am good there.  Obviously I need to test this at night (good excuse for a night run)!

Thank you all for your help and advice.

Again, fantastic layout Marty!

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