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Started using my VL Niagara water fill smoke unit yesterday.  New, out of the box at the end of October, it produced smoke out of the side vents profusely and quite easily.  As D&H 65 experienced, now, not so much.

Did the following experiment -

1. Environment:
    CW80 - 17 volts on track.
    6' oval.
    Cab2 smoke set at medium.
    Tender smoke switch on.
    12 drops Lionel smoke fluid after last 12 minute use or attempted use.
    Locomotive must be in motion for tender smoke; no other locos on layout.
2. Sequence:
    Speed Step           Amperage Draw       Presses of Water Fill     Output
    Startup              1.10                     Water fill not activated    No smoke
    100                 3.52 - 2 seconds         first press                     No smoke
    100                 1.82 - each press       +20                         No smoke    
    100                   1 .82 - each press      +15 presses                     Meager wisps from bottom    
    100                        1.82 - each press       +10 presses                     Meager wisps from bottom
    Shutdown then Startup
    100                        3.52 - 2 seconds        first press                     Meager wisps from bottom
    100                 1.82 - each press    +10 presses                           Small wisps bottom (little more)
    Shutdown then Startup
    100                       3.52 - 2 seconds         first press                           Small  wisps from bottom
    100                      1.82 - each press      +20 presses                          Eventually some smoke from both sides.
    Done messing with it...

At startup and first press, there is a good amperage jump for 2 seconds, not enough to get the resistors hot enough.  Maybe the CW80 doesn't have enough for this smoke unit; will give it another shot with a ZWL in the spring.   The locomotive smoke units are good; smoke right away.  The tender one might be finicky or need .......something.

Last edited by RickM46
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First, even on a six foot oval, a CW80 is not going to cut it. Upgrade to a Power Brick; the ZW-L is more than you need unless you plan to expand. I have been seeing other reports of people being disappointed with trying to run a power-hungry engine with a sub-par transformer.

Second, why have you set smoke to medium? I run mine on high all the time.

Third, 12 drops might not be enough. Can’t recall from your  other posts how much you “primed” this unit with but I put in more like double that amount, added very slowly, to make sure the wicking was properly saturated- and even then I refilled it quickly after the first test run. 12 drops might not be near enough after a bit of running time.

Just my 2 cents.

 

I even ran into the issue on the Lionel Genset w/3 smoke units that the feeder wire from the transformer and the track has to be bigger - even using a Z4000.  The power wire Lionel provides to FastTrack didn't cut it.  Once I hooked the engine up on the real layout with 180 Watt bricks and 14 gauge wire - no problem.

Last edited by Jim Sandman
Dave Olson posted:

Testing the prototypes at our desks in-house, we had to swap out our CW80s for a ZW-L to get all the smoke units to work. It just isn't enough wattage for all the smoke demands.

Well, that’s good enough for me. I’ll add that sometimes poor track connections cause voltage drops around a large circuit. I tend to activate my water scoop feature when it’s near a terminal section. Rolling over the section slowly causes a big increase in smoke output. I’m using SupaSnap for the carpet layout and really should use pins to connect it all up instead of relying on the spring contacts.  

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