Watering on the Fly from Track Pan?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_pan

Arthur has you covered pretty well.....But modleing it could be done but in our 3 rail hobby the center rail would take up most of the space the pan occupies.  Pan sides could be placed on each side of the center rail....but the effect will be odd.

at 16:40 on this film you can see the scoop

thank you guys. 

I have used piano wire for the hot rail above my ash pit and wash rack pit, it allows for a much better view of the structures beneath the track.  I may experiment with a track pan.

Jerk water town, interesting subject.

http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/...-town-explained.html

the NYC and B&O are two other roads who tried water trough systems.  here is a picture of an accurately modeled scoop that was on the B&O P7 tenders...

I had heard that a few tenders burst from the water surge during the run through the pan. Can anyone confirm/debunk this?

My guess is that this did happen because the NYC Niagara tenders had air vents to prevent that from happening and allow water to be scooped at 80 MPH.

I have never read, nor heard, of any tenders "bursting" as a result of scooping water. The New York Central did, however experience stresses & loosened rivets, and cracked internal baffles on some tenders due to the increasing speeds while scooping water. The NYC went through extensive testing and tender design improvements in order to scoop water at speeds above 80MPH, the final result was the huge tenders on the L4 class Mohawks and the giant PT "Centipede" tenders on the Niagaras, which where also added to almost all the NYC's Hudson classes. 

To be filed under "It seemed like a good idea at the time"

Link to pdf article

It doesn't look like any tenders "exploded" but some did suffer bulges, popped rivets, blown vent covers, etc.  There is a reference in the article to a turtle getting stuck in the scoop and fouling the water feed for a NYC Hudson.  I think one of the early Thomas storied had Thomas getting into trouble because they drew water from stream and wound up with some fish in the tank.

Thanks.

I recall on a video (New York Central Oddessy, maybe) showing the tender hatch being blown open and water gushing out as it was being scooped in.

Rusty

I think I even have that Thomas story on DVD somewhere...

I have also read/been told of a story where after scoping up water, the locomotive couldn't get any water.  It was night time and a check of the tender showed it full, but the injectors were acting like there was no water.  It was finally figured out that a load of potatoes accidentally got dumped on the pan, so when the engine came by it scooped up the spuds with the water and a spud blocked the locomotive intake.  Because it was night and so dark, they couldn't see them floating in the water in the tender.

Great modeling idea. The pan could serve as the center rail provided the rollers could contact  it, but ramps at both ends to transition back to the  third rail would be needed. Most pans were accompanied with a pumping house and a boiler house as steam lines were needed to keep the water from freezing. This can offer the reason for modeling a siding for the occasional coal hopper to feed the boilers as well as a water tank. A more accomplished modeler than myself could incorporate a trigger mechanism allowing the pan to lower and when it slides up the ramp at the end it could close via a spring latch until triggered again. I researched this topic a few years ago and even submitted the attached file, along with several other accessory ideas to Lionel for review.....I had no big dreams of fame or fortune....I just thought it would be cool. I never receivesd an acknowledgement, but that's OK, so here it is for anyone with an interest. 

Sinclair

Thank you for the informative LINK

The link is Chuck's not mine.  But I'm sure he's glad you found it informative.

"It was finally figured out that a load of potatoes accidentally got dumped on the pan, so when the engine came by it scooped up the spuds with the water and a spud blocked the locomotive intake."

Maybe they we're going to try to make mashed potatoes and gravy?

Lionel Lines had a water scoop in the open postion on the "streamlined" postwar tenders.

Good thread!  Really enjoyed reading it, learned some things and got some good ideas!

Interesting thread...

Re modeling this in O3R, I wonder why the Orange/Blue folks couldn't incorporate this into their Vision Line...You know, blow even MORE smoke out of some ports...this time from beneath the tender...but only above certain speeds.  The films of this scoop-on-the-fly show a goodly spray of water either side of the tender...a reasonable simulation with a strong spray of smoke.  Yes?  No? 

Hey, it should only add another $200 to the price of an engine, I would think.  Paltry, simply paltry.

Also, re Thomas scooping fish....is this where the journalistic/Pulitzer term 'scooping a story' came from??? Or the term 'fly-fishing'??

Poor turtle.  The hare's revenge, no doubt.

TGIF.

Watch this, especially starting at 1:50

It's out of sequence, but at 20 seconds from the beginning the train is shown in a run by scooping water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QoNL_yf62A

I am amazed regarding the information available on this forum!

Very interesting thread!

Dave

I have a couple of MPC/LTI era tenders with the mechanical sound of steam wheels. If you look closely, Lionel kind of molded-in the outline of a water scoop.

Thanks for that link to the film......cool even with out the water pan footage.....could almost be PA but for the names and equipment styles!!