Weaver G1095-LP Milwaukee Road Hiawatha

it is an streamlined atlantic 4-4-2 cab #2

Can't help you. I have the Hudson and like it very much.  Don

I have the 4-4-2, and will be watching your replies. The engine runs pretty well, but seems more bumpy over my Ross switches. Seemed to run well on my brother-in-laws Fastrack. Right now I have a growling sound in the engine, The Weaver people think it might very well be the motor, as I have already greased it. I am in the thinking process of having a replacement motor dropped in, from Northwest shortlines. Otherwise it is a great model. I love these Atlantics, and really like to see mine running with the 5-car consist from Weaver, they made a great train set (if you will). I would also like to ask other readers, which 4-4-2 they like? Weaver's or Lionel's version?

I hope this helps a bit.

I have Weaver's Class-A 4-4-2 and I like it a lot.  I did have the old Train America EOB speed control added,  which I believe improved the operation.  My track is all Gargraves with a mix of Gargraves and Ross switches and it gets around the layout well.  My curves are generally 72" diameter or greater except for two "cheater" corners that probably are only about 65" or so in diameter.  The engine doesn't like those corners but it will just get around them.

Unfortunately, my smooth side Weaver cars are having new or modified interiors in them and therefore I haven't run the train very much recently.  (This topic might just be an incentive to me to get back to work on the cars and getting them back in service.)

I looked at the Lionel version when it came out a few years ago, but I was turned off by the glossy paint job it carried.  I thought of buying it anyway and then spraying the whole thing with "Dull Coat" but that seemed counter productive so I passed on the engine.  The cars that they supplied with the engine were the wrong cars, the seven rib style car which came out in 1939 rather than the smooth side cars from 1935.

Also have Weaver's F-7 Hudson, which has also been a great engine.

Paul Fischer

this engine is TMCC equipped, right?

Forrest:  I know that mine is, I really can't run conventional engines on my layout, but I'm not absolutely sure that it came with it.  I know that I had Train America install EOB many years ago but they might have also installed TMCC at that time.  Can't remember.

In any case, the price should reflect whether or not it has TMCC to begin with when you purchase it, and it should cost between $150 and $200 to get it installed if it doesn't have it.  It also came with a Seuth smoke unit, as I recall and TA installed a fan driven unit.

Paul Fischer

Forrest:

I have the G1093LP. Has engine number One. It is TMCC equiped, and operates fine. Mine too has the Seuth smoke unit, so no puffing smoke.  By the way, my "serial" number of this engine is #16 of #300.

Jeff, the Weaver 4-4-2 is much more detailed then the Lionel. I have the legacy model and my friend has the MTH which is  really detailed.

thanks for the input.

thanks, SWH, very helpful.

The wife has #1, #2, and #3.  They all run really well.  The only thing I don't care for is the 2-chuff sound that can't be changed to 4-chuff.

Great paint; strong runners.

They pull her Weaver Hi trains (one Morning Hi, one Afternoon Hi) without any operational problem.

And Weaver customer service/support is great!

Hey Kerrigan, how about some photos (or are they already out there)?

Wow, owning engines #1, 2, and 3..how neat is that??!!! I agree, any pictures?

I'll have to take a couple.  Two are on the shelves with their respective Weaver passenger trains ...

Here's a shot of some Hiawathas. From the top:

Weaver Little Joe with K-Line scale size streamliners

Weaver 4-4-2 #1 with Weaver Morning Train

MTH F7 4-6-4 with Weaver ribside cars

Lionel Standard Gauge Hiawatha (F-7 with ribside cars)

Here are Weaver #1, #2, and #3 ... two with trains: Weaver Morning and Afternoon Hi's.

thanks!

most impressive!

I've got the 6-38094 with the rail sounds 5.0 I think it's awesome .They really went out of the way as far as detail I think. Yes it does have the front doors that open up to show the boiler front but if you look inside the all weather cab it has a very nicely detail and painted back head.
I'm running it with the 6-29191/29196 4 car set with the add on 2 pack and I'll be looking for the stations sounds diner at York to complete the set of 7 cars
The cars are beautiful and LONG but I love the long cars,so much so I'll also be looking for the 7 car N&W set at York.
I didn't know that about the horn and whistle??
mine sounds like a whistle to me?

The Weaver or Lionel are really nice I don't think you'll be disappointed with either.
Here's a little teaser this is the Lionel
David

Sorry forgot to include this in my original post .For those that have seen this sorry for those who haven't you may find it interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...t=PL010BE4092F4124C3

Don't know what to tell you Jerome it works fine for me .Search for Milwaukee road Hiawatha. it's a 1938 color movie of the 4-4-2 Hiawatha

Worked fine for me, but for some reason when it ended it jumped to a video of an MTH Hiawatha 4-6-4 rather than stay on the page. I had to hit the back button to view the video a second time. The video shows that by 1938 the Indian was on all four of the Atlantics (#1&2 were built with plain sides on the tender and the Indian was added to match the later engines. Both #1 and #4 are pulling 1937 car sets like the Weaver cars shown behind #2 in Kerrigan's photos. What remains of the color suggests that the Weaver colors are pretty close to the original. 

Thanks to all of you for sharing the comments and the photos of your Hiawathas. They were the best!

Jeff

Here is a shot of my engine on my 70+ year old turntable (and roundhouse) as we continue to construct my new layot.

I am not sure where that information is found; I have a ton of Milwaukee Road reference material and I must have gotten it somewhere in there. I seem to remember once seeing an old film that showed a Class A moving around the yard and using the whistle. This would be typical of the way such a locomotive would be operated; the air horn was used at speed and the steam whistle for yard moves and such. The directional sound from the air horn carries farther than the whistle, at least in the forward direction. 

As far as I know all of the steam engines equipped with air horns also had steam whistles, at least I have never seen any information about one that didn't. The combination was popular on high-speed passenger engines from the mid-1930's through the end of steam. Both varieties of Hiawatha streamliners were so equipped, as were the Daylights and the Milwaukee Road S-3 dual service Northerns. 

In trying to find a source to confirm the presence of both on the Hiawatha, I did uncover the tidbit that the Hiawatha's horn could be operated either by air or steam. Not sure why, but there it is. The Hiawatha Atlantic used a Leslie Tyfon single-chime horn, not a dual-chime as Lionel put on its Hiawatha sound chip.

Very enjoyable discussion here.  Good Thread!

Like all of you, I love the Milwaukee and the Hiawatha's.  Hopefully one day I'll see that streamlined Chippewa done in O Gauge.  I'd love to have one on the layout.

Couple of comments and thoughts:  Regarding the Air Horn/Whistle discussion, I had heard that engineers would use the air horn rather than the whistle on those engines that were so equipped because they were rated on their efficient operation of the engines.  Supposedly when they blew the whistle that would simply waste steam instead of actually driving the engine.  When they blew the air horn that would only use a little bit of air and not lower their efficiency rating.

SWHi:  Bob, interesting research there.  I remember seeing the builders photos of the A's, up in Schenectady before the engine had it's shrouding applied.  I didn't notice at the time if you could see either a whistle or an air horn or both at the time but maybe we can locate some of those photos and see if we can answer the question.  Either one should have been located behind those little "grills" on either side of the headlight.

MichRR:  I've always been fascinated by #10 and #11, the two shrouded old ten-wheelers that pulled the Chips, too.  Never actually saw them that I remember but found their photos and stories interesting.  One thing that I always found a bit weird was that these were both hand fired engines.  Can you imagine a streamlined locomotive that was a "hand bomber"?  I still plan to make a model of one of these using an old American Flyer pre-war Hiawatha shell mounted on a modern 4-6-0 chassis.  My plan is to cut away the enclosed rear portion of the cab keeping the roof overhang in place, building a tender using   brass stock and adding TMCC.  I have the body and the MTH 4-6-0 chassis but I just haven't gotten around to the project yet.

Paul Fischer

I've heard the SP Daylights, like the SP4449, had the air horn (the Daylight does) to use in the foggy conditions along the Pacific Coast because it's sound carried further in fog than that from the steam whistle.  Also heard that people recognized the air horn sound quicker than the steam whistle as a warning.

Paul

If you look carefully at a model or photo of the Class A, you will see a small round opening directly above the headlight. That's where the air horn is. I don't know where the steam whistle is, but I'm pretty sure I've got a picture somewhere of one under construction so I'll see if I can't follow your suggestion and find the whistle. 

I found another interesting item looking through one of my reference sources - some of the F6 Baltics were retrofitted with air horns. I saw photos of two different locomotives with air horns mounted on the right-hand side where the smokebox joins the boiler, behind and below the stack.