Weekend tinplate photos/videos 6/28/18!

392E and 200 series freight cars

Riding the tinplate rails...

Some observations about rear ends...or maybe it should be some rear end observations....

  For the past several issues of this weekly thread I've posted pictures of a series of Bing passenger set with cars lithographed for various US and Canadian railroads.  One aspect of these sets that deserves a little closer look is the evolution of the Observation car over time.

  First, the litho treatment evolved from wood siding to metal siding.  As near as I've been able to determine this evolution impacted all of the roads offered by Bing.  

Secondly, the treatment of the end of the observation cars changed from a plain platform to a platform with a very large tail light to the elimination of the platformed observation which was replaced by a coach with a large tail light.

Finally, in order to power the tail lights (and to allow internal illumination of the passenger cars) the wheel made a transition from black enameled metal to plated metal. The underside of the trucks changed as well with one truck sporting a 3rd rail pickup and the other provided with a metal strip pressed to the axles of its wheels.

Nothing new this week, still working on my 700e, some Bing cars i bought some time ago, notice that in the luggage van you have a special compartment for dogs, it seems to habe been a common german practice.

And a set of red sleeping and blue restaurant cars, they are generic cars without specific marks so they can be sold in every countries, they were made around 1930 near the end of Bing.

Sill have to find the matching loco....

Have a nice tinplate weekend,   Daniel

Last week at the Spur 1 Treffen in Sinsheim Germany I bought this Märklin Gauge 1 restaurant car (Cat nr 1894). Remarkable is that is is a CIWL car but that the German MITROPA wording is legible under the paint, even seeming embossed. However, as far as I can see, it is as originally made by Märklin. A bit of a mystery.

It has interior including a stove and a sink in the kitchen (and chairs with a pin to fasten de passengers).

Regards

Fred

I am back from celebrating our daughter's wedding in Maine.  We had a wonderful time.  However, let me just say that I wish we still lived in the golden age of rail travel.  Traveling by air was a nightmare; it certainly isn't what it used to be.

My tinplate offering this week is a small set from American Flyer.

The engine is a #1095 (variation B) from 1922 - 1924. Unfortunately the cast headlights have been broken off from both ends.

It came with 2 #1120 Seattle passenger cars (variation A) from 1923-1925.  So that puts the set from approximately 1923-1924.

Have a Great Tinplate Weekend

Northwoods Flyer

Greg

Ives  3242R and cars.

WOW! ALL great selections guys! I guess you could call the Bing doggy baggage car a hundwagen! LOL!

Keep them coming and THANKS for sharing your treasures!

That "hundwagen" is one I have never seen before! My LGB postal-baggage van has no compartment for canine critters!

This is an interesting car that I got at the auction two weeks ago.

This is an Ives 129 Observation car. The observation cars in the Saratoga line were numbered 132, but this one is numbered 129. Greenberg notes an example of this car in the Guide to Ives Trains. This one has a hand-painted gold frame. I have no idea whether that is original, but the paint matches the railing.

And, it's lighted!

George

George,

You should visit The Ives Train Society website.  There is a great deal of information there, and great photos to help with identifying items.  I borrowed the photos and the text below from the website.

Circa 1925-26  -Earlier green body on a later frame with journal trucks. Note that this is a Saratoga car with an observation deck.  Most collectors are familiar with the 129 Saratoga Car that has been converted into an Observation, 

Ives has a number of variations in the Saratoga cars.

Northwoods Flyer

Greg

Four score and seven years ago.” I ordered this loco,,,ok 2 years ago,,anyway,darker grey that the catalogue ,couple of quick shots,(perhaps the other 390's are tinplate traditions) i haven't looked at my other 390's but don't believe the plate on the cab is 1390 like the lti one on this  is,also instresting sticker on the box,looks to be Korean,main thing,its here and I never thought I  would ever see it  be made and yes chris ,this did follow me home !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Greg J. Turinetti posted:

George,

You should visit The Ives Train Society website.  There is a great deal of information there, and great photos to help with identifying items.  I borrowed the photos and the text below from the website.

 

 

 

Ives has a number of variations in the Saratoga cars.

Northwoods Flyer

Greg

Yes, I do use that site. I wish they had even more pictures. My car has a two-piece roof with pierced clerestory, which is different than the one you posted. Ives is fascinating for variations.

By the way Greg, this is your fault, because you told me I needed an 1122 to pull my 124 cars. The Saratogas came with the set!

George

terry hudon posted:

Four score and seven years ago.” I ordered this loco,,,ok 2 years ago,,anyway,darker grey that the catalogue ,couple of quick shots,(perhaps the other 390's are tinplate traditions) i haven't looked at my other 390's but don't believe the plate on the cab is 1390 like the lti one on this  is,also instresting sticker on the box,looks to be Korean,main thing,its here and I never thought I  would ever see it  be made and yes chris ,this did follow me home !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is an archive shot and video of my 390e that I added a Flyer coupler to pull my Flyer cars.

Terry: The regular LTI Version had a whistle tender, does yours? That is an interesting shipping label!

some 6" Marx

terry hudon posted:

Four score and seven years ago.” I ordered this loco,,,ok 2 years ago,,anyway,darker grey that the catalogue ,couple of quick shots,(perhaps the other 390's are tinplate traditions) i haven't looked at my other 390's but don't believe the plate on the cab is 1390 like the lti one on this  is,also instresting sticker on the box,looks to be Korean,main thing,its here and I never thought I  would ever see it  be made and yes chris ,this did follow me home !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Terry,

Beautiful loco.  I too waited for years to receive mine and it just arrived.  It is a different version than yours and I am most pleased with it as it is much nicer than pictured in the catalog.  Specifically, there are two orange pinstripes on each side of the tender that were not shown in the catalog photos.  These really add to the tender's appearance!

Bob Nelson

A proper caboose has finally made it to go with the Erie Camelback 

Steve

terry hudon posted:

Four score and seven years ago.” I ordered this loco,,,ok 2 years ago,,anyway,darker grey that the catalogue ,couple of quick shots,(perhaps the other 390's are tinplate traditions) i haven't looked at my other 390's but don't believe the plate on the cab is 1390 like the lti one on this  is,also instresting sticker on the box,looks to be Korean,main thing,its here and I never thought I  would ever see it  be made and yes chris ,this did follow me home !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here its in better light,no it is a ps3 no air whistle

An eclectic combo for Sunday- a "Lionel Junior" 027 streamliner in action together with a Lionel standard gauge 53 with a train of three Ives coaches. The 0-4-0 electric No. 53 is all original (with maybe the roof repainted many years ago); it's the 1915-1919 style in a very nice dark maroon color. I found it at York last year and it runs quite nicely as you will see in the video. Enjoy

My Lionel classics green 390E with a repainted 392 green tender. I also shortened the draw bar a 1/4 inch, added rubber "coal" to the lode and added a Dallee sound system comprising of a selection of bells and whistles . I think the larger tender behind the 390E looks much better.  I got the green paint for the tender from a local auto body shop. They made me up a spray can of it.