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I have a question for the PRR experts, as my searches thus far have come up empty handed.

From roughly the mid 30s to the end of steam, what motive power would have been common on the ex-AVRR low grade secondary from Redbank to Renovo? I'd assume L1s and H10s are a given on freights, how about passenger power? Did K4s work the secondary routes?

Would larger power like the M1s be found on through freights?

Lastly, I know a lot of the leased Reading T-1s were based out of Renovo but I'd imagine they never ventured that far west?

Links to good photos in the Lawsonham-Brookville-Driftwood area would be appreciated as well!

- Shane

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@jim sutter posted:

P&S fan if you belong to the TCA I would call everyone listed for Clarion County. Ask them if they know any history on this railroad.

@Rick Rubino posted:

lots of info on the PRR technical and historical site.

Jim, I unfortunately I do not belong to that organization, but thank you for the lead!

Rick,

I was digging around in their links to digital library but thus far have come up empty handed. I will keep trying.



Thank you both for the tips!

Shane just goggle the PRR in Renovo they had a huge facility there part of which is still standing. There is a lot of information on Renovo and the PRR. Jim I believe Renovo is in Clinton County and try their historic site also as there is information on it about the PRR in Renovo. I had a friend give some memorabilia from a group Renovo Railroaders.org but could never find anything on them or a site.

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Here's an interesting photo stream on Flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/...1142/in/photostream/

I always wanted to check this area out and ride the Armstrong Trail.

Norm, good stuff! I've come across a few of those photos but there's quite a few I haven't seen yet. The trail is interesting, they are cleaning up the turntable in Phillipston and along the low grade you can still see the beehive ovens outside of New Bethelem and the McLain Firebrick campus is still standing further down at what was called St. Charles in the timetable.

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@RJT posted:

Shane just goggle the PRR in Renovo they had a huge facility there part of which is still standing. There is a lot of information on Renovo and the PRR. Jim I believe Renovo is in Clinton County and try their historic site also as there is information on it about the PRR in Renovo.

RJT, thank you! However as you said there is alot of information on Renovo, unfortunately when it comes to the low grade secondary that travels west from Renovo to the AVRR Buffalo line the information becomes much more scarce, and that is the area of interest I'm attempting to research.

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I don't mean to be repetitive, but you apparently are interested in the former Pennsylvania Railroad.  You know enough about that railroad to have an interest in a secondary main line and motive power.  But you are not a member of the historical society that supports the Pennsy.

There are good reasons to belong to your favorite railroad's historical and/or technical society.  Here's why I belong to mine, the Santa Fe Railway Historical and Technical Society:

First, the annual convention.  I spend about $1000 each year, to travel to the location, attend the convention, and go on field trips in that area related to Santa Fe.  But I could do it for less.  The basic convention (2 days) is only $200, which includes two full days of clinics on ATSF, and the hotel is full of others with my interests, some of whom are real experts on specialized Santa Fe topics and territories.  I learn a lot in conversations with them.  I stay at the official convention hotel, but that is not a requirement.  I have stayed with friends or relatives, or at other hotels at times, to save cost.  I could attend a convention 500 miles from home for $500 or less, including driving and staying at a less expensive hotel for 2 nights.  There are smaller, regional, one-day mini-meets in California or Arizona, Kansas City, Indiana, and somewhere in the northeast.

Second, the website and publications.  The ATSF group has a wealth of information on the website, a way to contact other members, a message board, a quarterly magazine, and numerous books on Santa Fe equipment and operations.

Membership is $60 annually, well spent in my opinion.

So let me encourage you to consider joining the Pennsy historical organization.  As a member, even if you do not attend the convention, you could send a letter to their publication, use their member section of their website, and become acquainted with others who may have the knowledge you seek.  Plus, you would receive the publications and become part of the Pennsylvania Railroad knowledge base that exists within these groups.  A guy like you, with interest beyond the electrified lines, would seem to be a natural for the organization, especially with the knowledge that you already have about the secondary line that interests you.

Just a thought.

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