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I think his point was that that auction is currently bid up to $480.
and 59 bidders!
Well, I think that we all realize that "anyone can ask what they want"; the funny part is that it's not a Buy-it-Now - these things were bid up that high.
Why, oh why? Wait - $230 (or $219) for 3 plastic cars...I must look these things up.
OK - I just did. Sounds and stuff. Still a lot. I'm sure that they sound good (as a friend's tank cars with squealing flanges, and so on, do), but, all-righty then.
Glad I ordered multiple sets at pre-order.
It really shows how much of a demand there is for the freight car sounds...The manf need to jump on more, they're missing out on a lot of cash....
quote:Well, I think that we all realize that "anyone can ask what they want"; the funny part is that it's not a Buy-it-Now - these things were bid up that high.
It is not really unusual for people to bid over retail for readily available items on EBay. They must think that if something is listed on EBay, it must be the best deal possible. And there certainly are sellers ready, willing, and able to take advantage of that mind set.
I don't understand the freight cars sounds thing ?? Squealing flanges and clattering couplers ?? No thanks and no way that price for plastic rail cars-no matter what they do. Except giraffes !!
I posted a first run AtlasO reefer on ebay for $75.00, it got bid up to $850.00--Ka-Ching.
it was a plain mineral brown reefer, nice but not that nice. I sold several other road names from $350 to $475 all from the first run of the reefers. Who knew!
Holy cow did you see what prices the new Vision Line reefers are going for?
My LHS was taking orders and I paid under 230.00 per set... I was looking at the Bay this lunch hour and almost fell of my chair!
Maybe I should sell my extra set?
This doesn't surprise me, nor does the report of what $$$ the Atlas reefers fetched but we are talking about the dynamics of one particular resale market. The Vision ethanol tank cars and indeed the Vision Evo engines commanded very high prices on fleab*y while they went for a good deal less in dedicated train auctions - if you could find them that is. Lionel probably could have sold out a higher production run of all of these models.
I wonder what will happen when the Legacy crane and boom cars come out? The TMCC issues of these also commanded a premium in the resale market and the sounds are even better than the tank cars or PFE reefers.
I would bet if you took a piece of spring temper brass or copper, cut a small strip out of it and let it rub a wheel it would make screeching sound.
Some kids put chain saw motors on their bicycles, others just put a baseball card in the spokes.
Pete
What sound does an Ice Bunker reefer make? Trickling water from rapid ice melting? I mean, they were packed in pretty solid when they were loaded so you wouldn't hear a load jostling around.
Still can' figure out the sound thing for a box car or reefer except squealing flanges or a flat wheel. That would be fun to listen to while you run your trains. Now every dealer will think any reefer is worth big $$.
I'll pay $25 each for the cars...any more??? No thanks
I'm interested in knowing what sounds they have.
Someone posted a passenger car with boarding, and click clack sound(?)....
Maybe an opening freight door and wood crates being tossed about?
An unload crew bantering?
Maybe its because so many trains sound similar (Not to downplay efforts, You know what I mean. Yes, we all hear the little stuff) , I find specific car sounds more intriguing.
The Vision PFE Reefers have four unique scenes, depicting icing the car, loading produce, re-icing en route and unloading at the destination. These scenes are user-triggered and can include foreman dialog and background crew at work. Using the min/max switch, the foreman dialog can be disabled but the background "working crew" sounds retained.
In addition, while moving the cars play a variety of grinding, bumping and rail clatter sounds. CAB1 can trigger brake squeal. CAB2 makes the brakes squeal, but from the Train Brake slider, rather than the engine brake button. One sound-enabled car per set.
That's a pretty complete summary. I know some folks have posted video of these cars in action.
Rudy Trubitt
Director of Audio
Lionel, LLC
Holy cow did you see what prices the new Vision Line reefers are going for?
My LHS was taking orders and I paid under 230.00 per set... I was looking at the Bay this lunch hour and almost fell of my chair!
Maybe I should sell my extra set?
Shortly after they were released, one set was bid to $700 
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I dropped the ball not pre-ordering but was able to get a set from Trainworld, glad I called.
John I like the sound cars, there overpriced but fun. Now what are you going to do.
Train show money perhaps?
Wow, this makes me feel a lot better, I paid $250 for the set....Guess I should have bought 2 or 3 sets.....Either way, I am glad I got them....The Buy of this Century was last year, TESLA STOCK, $22 per share, now over $282 and climbing....Now, back to railroading....These Cars are truly Beautiful.....
Thank you Randy
Sorry Rudy, a Randy was here yesterday
One thing for certain, when Lionel decides to put out another set of tankers or modern whatever with sound, I will be pre-ordering a couple sets for sure. I love the out of the box thinking from Lionel.
I bought several sets because I liked the idea of wheel flange / brake noise. Will have s different set in several trains. The 'talk' will never be used for me. Not interested.
I have a LOT of PFE reefers (OK, probably more than some people have total freight cars) for my UP steamers to pull. For some reason, I just love the orange PFE reefers and Lionel makes some of the best.
Like SantaFeJim said with a fufu glass of an IPA draft (Beer with a hippy taste in CA)
Here's a quick video I shot at the NJ Hi-Railers with the BB pulling a string of PFEs that includes two sets of the VL PFEs. I don't see me using the crew chatter much but the rail sounds are fantastic. I think they really add to the realism. The sound is full and loud and can clearly be heard with multiple trains running in the NJ Hi-Railers room.
I think it really adds to the "realism!"
Turn up the volume!
I should've got one of these sets when I was able to, but that's a couple hundred dollars still in my pocket.
I did have a chance to get a set of those VL Ethanol tanks for $250, but I didn't have the money with me, and when I went back a couple days after, they were gone
. But again that's a couple hundred dollars still in my pocket.
That sounds great!
And I'm an expert there.
Engine aside, as steam doesn't make it this way often
, it sounds just like my front yard does as they pass behind the neighbors house across the street from us!
I should've got one of these sets when I was able to, but that's a couple hundred dollars still in my pocket.
I did have a chance to get a set of those VL Ethanol tanks for $250, but I didn't have the money with me, and when I went back a couple days after, they were gone. But again that's a couple hundred dollars still in my pocket.
Don't buy anything, thousands of dollars in your pocket. Your logic taken to the extreme.
Pre-orderd a set from Pats Trains at a very good price. IMO, the set is not worth the catalog price. The flat wheel thump and squealing brakes are OK to a point, the foreman chatter is pretty hokey.
Bill T.
Lionel meant for all of us to buy two sets and set up the sound system accordingly - so jump on board their train!
Seriously, I would not buy a second set in the hope of turning a vast profit as on reflection I think that any current frenzy for these sets is a flash in the pan. (Why Lionel doesn't re-issue the Ethanol tank car set with sound I do not know as that I and others would snap up without a second's hesitation.)
Seriously, I would not buy a second set in the hope of turning a vast profit as on reflection I think that any current frenzy for these sets is a flash in the pan. ...
It may not be so much that it's a flash in the pan... it's just that we never know what's gonna take off and what will be a dud.
I recall back in the MPC days, when Lionel delivered add-on passenger cars... stuff like the diner and regular vista domes for the SP Daylight and N&W sets. Those extra cars always carried a premium. Then Lionel came out with full vista domes, and everyone jumped on board thinking they'd be "hot cars" too. As it turned out, they were all duds (in terms of overnight-collectables)... SP Daylight, N&W, and Santa Fe, to name a few. NONE of them ever approached the premium status of the dining and regular vista domes. In fact the full vista domes were eventually blown out at many dealers -- most likely the result of overproduction. And of course, now that we're 30 years down the road, none of those add-on cars carry any premium whatsoever. None.
Best to just buy what you like... and if you happen to land on a "hot item", that's just a bonus. And just take satisfaction in knowing that it's only gonna be a "hot item" for a relatively short period of time when we look at the big picture.
David
What sound does an Ice Bunker reefer make? Trickling water from rapid ice melting? I mean, they were packed in pretty solid when they were loaded so you wouldn't hear a load jostling around.
Random fleeting flange squeal is nice, (our guests have quickly grown tired of the innane crew talk dialog) and as we don't need two or four more empty reefers just to get the operational car(s). For us the price point for the sound car was too high.
though at this price point as we'd be tossing the two dummy .
Just curious about this sound stuff-how much do you hear until it starts repeating itself ?? Especially "crew talk". My experience with squealing flanges while standing near a track taking pictures is you can't hear much else, it is high pitched and very piercing and not very entertaining. Usually hurts my ears. And you pay big bucks for this ?
Yeah, I bought the cattle car and really disliked it and sold it soon after at a loss. They seemed to have upped their game since then, thankfully.
Ben
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