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Just make sure that there is adequate ventilation.  To play it safe use a respirator.  My picture is my credibility. It's a Home Land Security air filtration apparatus test. I'm also a physician who deals with pulmonary disorders.
Originally Posted by luvtrains:

I use denatured alcohol. Is that too strong?

Originally Posted by Brewman1973:

Hi Guys, this is very helpful.  What about light rust?  (I am sure this has been covered 100's of times before, but I couldn't find it in a recent search, I seem to recall scotch brite and a dremel tool using a wire brush).  THanks, Dave

 

When I reclaimed my Gargraves track from my old layout it had light rust. I sprayed a rag with WD40 and wiped the rails then used a wire brush on my roto-tool. Worked like a charm.

Originally Posted by John Korling:
Denatured alcohol.  I prefer this over regular isopropyl rubbing alcohol as it contains less water, does a better job cleaning the rails overall, and also in my experience, rubbing alcohol leaves a translucent residue that I don't get when using denatured.

Uhh... not really.  99% Isopropyl Alcohol obviously contains less than 1% of anything else, and it never causes a problem.  Read about what's really in Denatured alcohol, maybe you'll come over to the dark side.   Manufacture of Denatured Alcohol

Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:
Originally Posted by John Korling:
Denatured alcohol.  I prefer this over regular isopropyl rubbing alcohol as it contains less water, does a better job cleaning the rails overall, and also in my experience, rubbing alcohol leaves a translucent residue that I don't get when using denatured.

Uhh... not really.  99% Isopropyl Alcohol obviously contains less than 1% of anything else, and it never causes a problem.  Read about what's really in Denatured alcohol, maybe you'll come over to the dark side.   Manufacture of Denatured Alcohol

In fact I tried denatured alcohol at the recommendation of an MTH owners manual. Took only a matter of minutes to make my train room smell like an automotive paint shop....never again, isopropyl all the way! BTW I have an entire quart of that denatured stuff free for anyone who wants to come pick it up, too hazardous to ship,or throw away, can't even get rid of the stuff.

I believe the big gripe with most rubbing alcohol is that it is diluted with water to reduce the alcohol content significantly. Denatured alcohol does not contain any water. However, you can buy isopropyl alcohol at some stores that is 91% alcohol by volume. I use denatured alcohol on an old white sock.

 I am already getting old and senile so the smell of denatured alcogol doesn't bother me.

Rob

Gunrunnerjohn,  all I can say is that we will have to agree to disagree. 

Yes, denatured does have a strong odor and you definitely want to have adequate ventilation as with most solvents and other chemical cleaners.  To me, it's a tradeoff.  I came from the opposite of you, I used rubbing alcohol in the beginning, and after using denatured I switched.  Your mileage of course may vary. 

Oldrob, actually denatured does contain water, but it contains less of it than isopropyl does.
Last edited by John Korling

As was referred to above, denatured alcohol is ethyl alcohol (same as what's in liquor), with a few percent of one or more other solvents added to make it undrinkable.  "Poison" is perhaps too strong a connotation.  These additives are "poison" in the sense that they are undrinkable, but then so is the ispropyl alcohol that others are using.  These other additives (denaturants) are typically other types of alcohols, ketones, or esters ... commonly used in paint and laquer thinner, and other cleaners.

 

So, if you like isopropyl alcohol, thats fine ...  I would just use the 99%+ verson so there's negligible water content.  I have had great results with the ethyl alcohol (denatured alcohol) on a clean rag.

I think you guys are too paranoid about Denatured alcohol. I use it here, my wife uses it EVERY DAY in the lab(pure denatured), without ANY safety gear other than a clear face shield, no mask, and MTH would not recommend a dangerous substance to clean their wheels. It's not like we are going to bath in it.

Rob

Originally Posted by Cab Calloway:

Rob,

 

This will be my last post on this subject.

 

With all due respect, you don't know what your talking about. "Pure denatured"? No such animal. Laboratory/pharmaceutical grade alcohol? No, we're talking about HARDWARE STORE denatured alcohol. The stuff used to brush and dunk greasy parts with. The vapors are a health hazard and the solvent should be applied while wearing latex gloves. MTH knows no more about alcohols than they do about tomato sauce. 

 

Use what you want, where you want, as often as you want. Not my concern.

I think Mr. Calloway needs a shot of alcohol.

Of course, he might have a point.  If you read the MSDS for Denatured Alcohol and the MSDS for Isopropyl Alcohol, neither is especially good for you.  However, the medical profession has been using Isopropyl Alcohol for many years for many purposes, I've never heard a doctor talk about Denatured Alcohol.

Let's look at the bold print for Denatured Alcohol.

Emergency Overview
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POISON! DANGER! VAPOR HARMFUL. MAY BE FATAL OR CAUSE BLINDNESS IF SWALLOWED. CANNOT BE MADE NONPOISONOUS. HARMFUL IF INHALED OR ABSORBED THROUGH SKIN. FLAMMABLE LIQUID AND VAPOR. AFFECTS CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM. CAUSES IRRITATION TO SKIN, EYES AND RESPIRATORY TRACT. MAY AFFECT LIVER, BLOOD, KIDNEYS, GASTROINTESTINAL TRACT AND REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM.

Now let's look at the bold print for Isopropyl Alcohol.

Emergency Overview
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WARNING! FLAMMABLE LIQUID AND VAPOR. HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED OR INHALED. CAUSES IRRITATION TO EYES AND RESPIRATORY TRACT. AFFECTS CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM. MAY BE HARMFUL IF ABSORBED THROUGH SKIN. MAY CAUSE IRRITATION TO SKIN.


Guess which one I'd rather use?



A friend of mine uses nothing but acetone. From reading about it, it is probally saver than Denatured or Isopopyl alcohol. I haven't tried it but am curious as to what effect it has on rubber traction tires.

We used Goo Gone at the train club before we started noticing we were throwing a lot of traction tires.

Originally Posted by Forest:

A friend of mine uses nothing but acetone. From reading about it, it is probally saver than Denatured or Isopopyl alcohol.

You're kidding, right?  From the MSDS for Acetone:

 

Emergency Overview:

 

Danger! Extremely flammable liquid and vapor. Vapors may cause flash fire or explosion. Harmful if inhaled. Vapor concentrations may cause drowsiness. Causes skin and eye irritation. Harmful if swallowed. May cause target organ or system damage to the following: Eye, skin, respiratory system, central nervous system.

 

Sorry, but in addition to the above, acetone attacks most plastics and paint!

Originally Posted by swav:

So now we need to know what cleaner to use to clean the Goo Gone.

At our club we also found that GG was not good for rubber tires.

Track needs a degreaser, some use alcohol and some use other flammable materials.  I assume that the flammable materials are being used because any residual evaporates.

 

I mentioned before I use Simple green, which is an excellent degreaser.  Since it does not have the evaporative properties of flammables, I spray it on a towel and wipe the track.  If you mix it 1:4 or stronger, there is no elbow grease required to get the track clean.  I think you can stop using the Goo Gone altogether.

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