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I received my Lionel Volume 2 catalog the other day and started to look at it thinking what I wish was available for "s" gauge American Flyer.  So I thought it would be interesting to hear what everyone else thought. 

 

Below is my list.  I broke it into 2 sections.  items that it would take very little new Tooling and those that did not care about tooling costs.

 

Minor new tooling

1) Command Control Crane.  To me this is about the same as the crane on the Sguage cars.

2) Culvert Gondolas Easily tooled car using Flyer Gondola.  They could then issue the Culvert loader for flyer using S scale people.

3) Legacy Crane car. If the electronics could fit in the Flyer crane.

4) Legacy Alcohol B Units  More pulling power for some of the larger passenger sets.  Start with SP since the new Legacy Alco is on the way.

 

New tooling

1) Auto Carrier Cars - I've wanted therefor a longtime.

2) Luxury Diner 

3) 86 inch hi-cube boxcars

4) some of the plug and play items in S scale

 

--Rocco--

 

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All of those wishing for extremely long cars should first wish for the radii of track to support these cars. I doubt the cars would negotiate the curves available now. Lionel would not tool up for these cars unless they had the track to run them on. Relying on those who use flex-track or even partake in the art of hand-laying track will not justify the cost of tooling until anyone can go out and buy wide radius track to run their product on.

Wide radius track is my wish. 40' freight cars look great on it as well.

 

 

 

SD70ACe and ES44AC locomotives with the headlights in the nose and non-glossy paint schemes. Only the cab and the placement of an LED would have to be changed. Norfolk Southern versions could simply be non-glossy black/white with no change to the cab.

 

I'll also put in a vote for auto carriers. I've replaced the trucks on a cylindrical hopper with American Models trucks, but I would also like to see them reoffered with proper bolsters and the option of scale or high-rail wheels.

Last edited by TOKELLY
Casey,
 
The Lionel R27 Wide radius Fastrack is out and can be purchased at your local dealer.  The 1/2 Wide radius still has not shipped.  Being that the R27 is available I think longer cars would now be ok.
 
--Rocco--
 
Originally Posted by Quick Casey:

All of those wishing for extremely long cars should first wish for the radii of track to support these cars. I doubt the cars would negotiate the curves available now. Lionel would not tool up for these cars unless they had the track to run them on. Relying on those who use flex-track or even partake in the art of hand-laying track will not justify the cost of tooling until anyone can go out and buy wide radius track to run their product on.

Wide radius track is my wish. 40' freight cars look great on it as well.

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Rocco:
Casey,
 
The Lionel R27 Wide radius Fastrack is out and can be purchased at your local dealer.  The 1/2 Wide radius still has not shipped.  Being that the R27 is available I think longer cars would now be ok.
 
--Rocco--
 
Originally Posted by Quick Casey:

All of those wishing for extremely long cars should first wish for the radii of track to support these cars. I doubt the cars would negotiate the curves available now. Lionel would not tool up for these cars unless they had the track to run them on. Relying on those who use flex-track or even partake in the art of hand-laying track will not justify the cost of tooling until anyone can go out and buy wide radius track to run their product on.

Wide radius track is my wish. 40' freight cars look great on it as well.

 

 

 

 

Without doing the math, R27 is roughly equivalent to 18" radius in HO.  To run the biggies, you'd still need larger curves for it to look right.

 

Here's what an AM 85' Pullman looks like on 27" radius:

 

 

27r Overhang 1

27r Overhang 2

 

As another example, here's the overhang of the Flyer SD70 on a 31" radius curve:

 

31r SD70 Overhang

 

Even with the slightly larger radius, it's still pretty severe.

 

A freight car like an 86' high cube or auto rack would have even greater overhang on the ends because the truck centers on those are closer together than on a passenger car.

 

Sure it'll run, but it won't be pretty.  Big freight cars would need something like S36 or larger to begin to be comfortable.

 

Rusty

 

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Rusty,

 

I get your point and they may not look pretty but I would still buy them and run them.  I do not see Lionel making a 36 inch radius set of curves for Flyer.   It is always a matter of preference but I would buy those Autoracks in a heartbeat if they were on sale for Flyer today even with my R27 curves.

 

--Rocco--

I understand, Rocco. 

 

Just pointing out some of the mechanics of the situation.  As some of our O gauge friends have discovered, overhang can be hazardous to existing scenery.

 

My railroad has a 33" radius mainline curve (31" on the inside passing sidings) and the 85' passenger cars and SD70's occasionally make an appearance.  The SD70's do better than the 85 footers in liking the curves.

 

I'll agree there's a need to come out with more modern stuff in the Flyer line, (or anyone else's S line for that matter) but it'll probably be quite a while before we see anything like auto racks or high cubes.

 

 

Rusty

 

Originally Posted by Quick Casey:

All of those wishing for extremely long cars should first wish for the radii of track to support these cars. I doubt the cars would negotiate the curves available now. Lionel would not tool up for these cars unless they had the track to run them on. Relying on those who use flex-track or even partake in the art of hand-laying track will not justify the cost of tooling until anyone can go out and buy wide radius track to run their product on.

Wide radius track is my wish. 40' freight cars look great on it as well.

 

 

 

The  O gauge Autoracks have telescoping draft gear that allows O-54 (27"r). 27"r in 1:48 = 20.25"r in S 1:64. So they would probably negotiate AF curves if built the same. How they would look is a different story.

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