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Mine would be Southern Pacific 4460, the War Baby Daylight. They were GS-6 and only fourteen were built in 1943. The four went to Western Pacific. 4460 pulled the last steam train on the Southern Pacific from Reno to Oakland in 1958. She sits on display in St. Louis. It is called "the Forgotten Daylight" because the 4449 is still running. I would love to see the locomotive run again. DonSP446008ac8c266970dd91dd12924d5afc7848

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mark s posted:

CB&Q K4 4-6-0 #719, on display at Alliance, NE. And certainly, Burlington O5b 4-8-4 #5629.

GN Man:    Great Northern 4-8-4 #2584 was under consideration for restoration by (I believe) the 261 group, before they settled on 261. Who knows, maybe, someday.....

Mark,

It is pretty much a give that, in today's modern railroad environment, ONLY those locomotives with roller bearings on all axles will be be considered for main line operations. The current Mechanical Department folks are DEATHLY afraid of plain bearings, as they simply do not understand how they work (everyone knows that roller bearings are fool proof ).

Hot Water posted:

I have just two:

1) UP Challenger 3985.

2) Frisco Mountain #1522.

I'll second that list.

In a perfect world, all the survivors would run again, but these two are low-hanging fruit, and I'd dearly love to see that Ozark Mountain running again.  Even better:  her and one of her sisters double-heading.  How about the 1501 just to show the development of the class.

Hot Water

It is pretty much a give that, in today's modern railroad environment, ONLY those locomotives with roller bearings on all axles will be be considered for main line operations. The current Mechanical Department folks are DEATHLY afraid of plain bearings, as they simply do not understand how they work (everyone knows that roller bearings are fool proof ).

That is the problem with a lot of things today. Instead of taking the opportunity to learn and educate themselves about things they don't understand, most people would rather just forget it and move on to something else. 

I admit that I know very little about steam engine restoration. That being said, if you are already putting in the time, labor, and most importantly, lots of money into restoring a mainline steam engine, would it really take that much more work and funding to switch to roller bearings?

SouthernMike posted:
Hot Water

It is pretty much a give that, in today's modern railroad environment, ONLY those locomotives with roller bearings on all axles will be be considered for main line operations. The current Mechanical Department folks are DEATHLY afraid of plain bearings, as they simply do not understand how they work (everyone knows that roller bearings are fool proof ).

That is the problem with a lot of things today. Instead of taking the opportunity to learn and educate themselves about things they don't understand, most people would rather just forget it and move on to something else. 

I admit that I know very little about steam engine restoration. That being said, if you are already putting in the time, labor, and most importantly, lots of money into restoring a mainline steam engine, would it really take that much more work and funding to switch to roller bearings?

Yes. VERY DEFINITELY YES! The pedestal jaws for the crown brasses must be enlarged in order to accept the large canon housings containing the roller bearings. In other words, turn the engine frame up-side-down, completely machine & re-tram all the pedestal jaws, and then press the wheels off the axles for installation of the one piece inner race and roller bearing assemblies.

Mark,

It is pretty much a give that, in today's modern railroad environment, ONLY those locomotives with roller bearings on all axles will be be considered for main line operations. The current Mechanical Department folks are DEATHLY afraid of plain bearings, as they simply do not understand how they work (everyone knows that roller bearings are fool proof ).

Working as a Conductor over 30 years I think we set off approx. 7 or 8 cars due to hot  or overheated  journals.

Most were plain bearing type but some were roller bearings.  (maybe 2)

It's one thing to have  plain  bearings on a railcar buried 60 or 70 cars behind the engine but wouldn't a plain bearing on a steam engine on excursion be inspected at every opportunity. (of course it would)

PS   Once a plain bearing catches fire it's easy to spot and not necessary going to drop immediately. It's after the fire goes out you're in big trouble.

 

 

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I've always been partial to the Pacifics. 

Plus they can go just about anywhere.

I don't model Santa Fe, but given the survivors I like the look for a 4-6-2.  Rebuilt for heavier loads, 74" boxpok drivers, and Timkin roller bearings. Plus, there are a handful of 3400's survivors on display for needed parts.

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WITZ 41 posted:

I've always been partial to the Pacifics. 

Plus they can go just about anywhere.

I don't model Santa Fe, but given the survivors I like the look for a 4-6-2.  Rebuilt for heavier loads, 74" boxpok drivers, and Timkin roller bearings. Plus, there are a handful of 3400's survivors on display for needed parts.

atsf3424-wessel

The 3415 has been restored to operation down in Abilene, Kansas:

4-6-2 AT&SF 3415

Rusty

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