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I agree with Ace. As for the third rail, Marklin did that first. I think they did the smoke unit first also. What Lionel was really famous for was a mass produced product designed to fit in the average American home and budget. That is why they lasted for a 116 years thus winning a place in American hearts and folklore.

Martin H posted:

Wasn't the middle rail basically a cop-out?  It seems the other scales figured out the reverse-loop problem with electronics while Lionel just used a brute-force approach.

yankspride4 posted:

Utilizing the third rail was a big one.

 

True, but the third rail dose more then just provide a smooth turn around through a reversing switch. It provides a far better electrical return for the engine and lamps in a train. The pick up surface can be improved by adding extra roller pick ups, the return path is on two sides and that can't be added to a two rail train other then to thither the cars together, not a cost effective alternative! This, to this day is a big cause for two rail prime movers to stop in the worst places for even the smallest tack ballast issue. For this reason, I chose Lionel as a kid. All my friends that had Flyers and HO where always dealing with what we called dead track. I admit it's not a big deal to an experienced two railer, but to a young kid it could be a very frustrating thing to deal with.

Not only that , it's a cheap and easy way to trigger accessories.

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I think the support the company provided for their product - the service stations, the manuals, the availability of parts - is a great achievement. It is one of the main reasons why older Lionel is attractive even today: if something goes wrong, there is a book to tell you what to look for, a number to identify the exact part you need, and a repairman to either sell it to you or install it for you. When you buy a "mature" Lionel, you buy the entire service system that the Corp. created to back up their product - a system whose remnants are still able to provide knowledge, parts, and service, over 45 years after J.L.'s company gave up on trains.

 

Durability.  Being able to stand the test of time.  

I just picked up a tin plate locomotive and after a little tlc it is running pretty good.  It is pretty awsome that something made about 80 years can still bring joy to another generation.  I wonder how many people have got to experience the joy of this locomotive through the years.

Being made in the USA probably helps too!

gg1man posted:
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Not only that , it's a cheap and easy way to trigger accessories.

This! 

Though the new emphasis on using (much more expensive to boot!) IR detection devices, combined with it being more complicated (not impossible, just more pieces to buy) to do the insulated rail activation with FT is seemingly pushing this method of operation out of favor, at least in how Lionel recommends to do things.

-Dave

I'll second the motion on original TMCC.  While the idea for command control isn't strictly lionel's the implementation was fantastic, the system allowed for running conventional engines without having to do anything to them, and all in all it changed everything.  

I'll place a second vote in for making the TMCC command protocol open and publishing it right in the user manual from day 1.  This allowed third parties to develop devices compatible with the system that drove further innovation.  

JGL

I would say the vertical motor arrangement such as the 2028-100M motor used in the Geeps and the later F3's such as 2383,  2321-100M motor used in trainmasters, or the 623-100M used in the NW2's or GG1's. The vertical drive is simple, robust and allows for all the electronic goodies to be placed in the middle of the chassis between the two motors. The vertical drive invented by Lionel has been very influential. Not only does Lionel still use the vertical drive to this day, but also MTH, Weaver, Williams, K-Line and so on.

The horizontal motor drive used in 2333, 2343, 2353, 2334, 2344 and so on has been influential as well. American Flyer used a similar arrangement on some of their later diesels. In HO, Kato has used a similar arrangement in some of their locomotives.  

The operating coupler would be my number one choice  BUT

look at all the great ingenious operating accessories Lionel has introduced in the prewar and going into the postwar eras. To design and operate these accessories without the help of computers back then, WOW!

The 45 gateman, the milk cars, oil derricks, 97 coal loaders, operating crossing gates and signals ect!

I think it kept the interest of the kids back then for a much longer period of time (years) then to watch a train pull some cars around a circle of track and loose interest.

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