What you can do with those old Williams Passenger Cars, Lots.

That would be a fun project to do similar to several of them. The car itself is good looking and they are certainly available if you look for them.

The interior with the felt seats and flower vases is amazing.

Maybe just do one as a private car. Don

Hello guys an gals.......

do they come with seat belts ?

the woman who loves toy trains

Tiffany

KD - Your B&O cars are terrific!

Color window strips make a difference, too

I'm a fan of so many WBB items, but their passenger cars are badly let down by not having interiors. Wish they'd do something about it. Even frosted windows would look better than those awful silhouettes. And, the heavy power drawing incandescent lamps, with uneven illumination make them look even worse.

DK, ReadingFan, great work. You can pick these cars up so cheap and the K-line cars are going for a lot of money now. Why not redo them. Dave I can't believe Williams doesn't make a drop in kit with lights. Someone should. Don

KD,

Where did you get the interior seats that you put in that coach?

Thanks,

Fred

Those cars look great. Where did you get the seats from?

I'm curious how you shortened the drawbar and did the modifications change your minimum radius or create any derailment issues?

I have a number of WBB HW passenger car sets. The last set I bought was off ebay from Tranz. The auction said it was for WBB passenger car parts. But it turned out the cars had been dis-assembled with a few of the ends broken. I plan on upgrading them at some point as I have very little in them and nothing to loose. I like them for size and detail level. Room to add plenty too.

I'd rather have the silhouettes than a bunch of tiny little people statues.

Pete

Wouldn't it be great if cars like this came with interiors and removable roofs (pop on, pop off) so you could easily take the roof off to see the interiors.

I don't have any Williams passenger cars, but I do have a couple of K-Line cars that I trashed the silhouettes and put interiors in.  In addition to Keil Line, Precision Scale Company also sells tables and chairs.

Pete, I think you are a shadow of your former self.

KD, Thank you for the excellent presentation. Looks like a good project next winter.

I too find it much more satisfying to build my own models than simply setting someone else's work on the track.

Pete

An absolutely outstanding thread, with wonderful instructional photos!  Thank you all for giving me many more good ideas.  Those old Williams B&O heavyweights of mine are going to get a new life.  One might even get painted Pullman Green and Lettered for Dover Harbor.

B&OBill

Now those look good & up to my very limited modeling skills,where can I get them from?

James

You mean like Pre-War Standard/Wide Gauge cars?

Actually, like Willie Nelson I am a statue of my former self.  Just kidding!  In reality my former self was just a shadow of the present me. 

Pete

Nice...but these are Williams, and somebody said the K-Line Heavyweights are now

going for money?  I kitbashed several, of the K-Line Heavyweights back when you could buy unlettered ones cheap, into a combine (none was offered), into a better

looking RPO...(small mail door), and a Pagosa Junction style combine coach/caboose.

I thought about piecing a couple together into a longer one, but don't think I got

around to that...when those HW's came out, with head end cars, I probably bought

too many.. I think I still have some untouched unlettered boxed Heavyweights.

  There is a dealer in the Gold (Dealers') Hall at York near Ma & Pa Junction that sells them in sheets for 60' Madison sets and 15" streamlined aluminum sets. I hope someone reads this and posts the name.

  I used a small dab of glue on wider spaces between windows and at the ends to hold 60' Madison strips in place. They may need to be trimmed a bit. One or two strips pulled away, so I used a toothpick to spread a tiny line of glue between two windows.

  I think that 15" streamliner strips fit inside channels above and below the windows inside each car. Lionel did it that way.

  Someone with access to a photo printer and transparent paper can make strips. One guy put his family there.

  Williams used color window strips around 1990, taking a cue from color Marx strips in scale streamliners. But customers like T**** P*** didn't like them, so silhouettes returned.

  The scene of RPO clerks sorting mail in the combine has been a big hit with visitors. Usually I point it out because they aren't looking for it. But one woman noticed it during a station stop. She got all excited because her father had been an RPO clerk.

Sorry for being uninformed,  but were can you buy diaphragms?

You are not uninformed, they are getting hard to get. Try Weaver or Altas. Don

The think WBB should take note of the interest in detailing their passenger cars on this Forum. Don

The line of the year, "tiny little people statues", hilarious!!

We don't need no stinking Silhouettes. This is another Dave that hates them.
Beautiful engines and cars ruined by little black outlines of people.

David

And, yet, I think they, as well as other mfrs could be persuaded to substitute LED lighting for the bodacious bulbs.  After all, it's PC....politically correct.  Moreso, it just makes power consumption sense.  There was a thread a couple of years or so ago in which someone had subsituted LED lighting on a whole string of (I believe) K-Line Empire Builder passenger cars.  Besides improving the quality of the lighting effect IMMENSELY on the string of cars, the drop in amperage required for the whole train was AWESOME!!

I remember that thread. Besides looking even better by day and at night, the whole consist consumed about as much power as a single K-Line caboose.

Where can you get strings of 16v LED's that are warm, not that bright fluorescent white look. In TV lighting we called that dead peoples light. Don

Amazon has something that might work but you'll need to modify it.

http://www.amazon.com/Flexible...;colid=2PGAP0ES0GAY9

Fred

Here is how I do them for command operation

www.jcstudiosinc.com/BlogShowT...7&categoryId=426

Other circuits here for conventional

www.jcstudiosinc.com/BlogCategoryMain?catId=426

Dale H

When you say "we" you obviously mean "I." My trains are all of the toy variety, by my choice, and while some of them might be quite beautiful they still are toys and I find the silhouettes to be very much in the toy train spirit.

BTW, I don't "hate" the little statues in scale passenger cars, I just prefer silhouettes.

Pete

ps - Silhouettes on electro-luminescent panels would be so cool!

Sorry Pete,
I guess when you come from the other scales you get used to a certain thing .
Silhouettes not being one of them. Some say you can't see the people in the cars anyway but part of my layout is elevated right at eye height . I can see the people sitting in their seats and the conductor standing in the isle.I can see all the interior detail so yes I hate silhouettes. Nice thing about this scale is we have a choice

Next thing we need are holographic projected  images that move inside the car.
I could see a bunch of teenagers aboard the Acela mooning city traffic.
or a bunch of commuters crammed into a Budd or subway car.

David

Man I should have bought these. I was watching them but forgot about them the last day. A set of four heavyweight Pullman green passenger cars went for $59. They would have been perfect to build interiors and could run on any road. Don

I got the TX SP 15" AL cars.  I run them with the 2245A-C or the WBB UP/Katy Heritage.  The window strips are great for that setup.

But i could see a WBB Classic cars like they have now, but a WBB+ with insides.