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For several years I have been on a quest to acquire all I could in terms of O gauge trains. Sometimes I lost track of my pre-orders. Items I ordered 2 or 3 years ago were finally delivered and I sometimes wondered what was I thinking when I first ordered them. I have to admit when some advanced items were announced in catalogs like the Lionel Acela or NS executive train, I felt I had to have them. They were just too amazing. I would sometimes day dream about them and others in meetings when mindless topics were being covered. Like many hobbyists, I mistakenly lived the saying "he who dies with the most toys wins." I built 2 large layouts in a new house with a huge empty basement then there were the shelves I needed to store countless boxes. I went from the stock Polar Express to the full-scale one with the heavyweight cars and the scale Polar Express steamer. 

 

In the past 15 years I was totally taken by the application of emerging technology to model railroading. It was finally possible to have everything be as realistic as possible. The more functions a locomotive had the better. If it had 10 functions, I wanted 16, etc. Along the way, the shear mass of what I acquired on this quest seemed to be rationalized during last January-March when we endured a very long, hard and cold winter. It occurred to me that my joy of the hobby was being swamped by the shear volume of what I had acquired. It became a real pain to box and un-box locos and cars to rotate them through. Sometimes I could not find a loco or set I wanted to run. At times I'd go into the basement and just not know where to start - to fulfill the need to work further on the layout or to play with it. What I had acquired seemed like over time it had become more of a burden and far less joyful than I remember as a kid.  

 

It became clear to me that I was only temporarily mesmerized by the advances in technology, that I was plenty happy running what I grew up in the 50s and 60s: an F3 Wabash AB with aluminum Lionel cars and toy silhouetted passengers in the windows; a gang car; a trolley and an SW. That was a lot then but somehow I thought as and adult more would be better. The sounds of the toy train running without sound card operating sounds was plenty pleasing to me. In fact, I found rather than having the sound cards create a realistic sounding train, I longed for the simple but pleasing sounds of simple post-War trains. Sure, it was great to hear and see the Lionel Acela and subway doors open and close, the announcements, etc., but they carry with them a complexity and sophistication of operations. My father always said that options on cars are just one more thing that can go wrong. He was right.

 

Nonetheless, I am totally amazed at what the manufacturers have done to advance the hobby and make it more realistic. I am certain many more young people are attracted to the hobby due to the use of technology to make model trains more realistic. But, I realized last winter that the magic of model railroading is not in creating a mega-empire filling a basement with sounds and actions of the prototypes. I get a kick out of the advanced technology but there is something to the toy train aspect that so many appreciate. There is always the delight of young kids and adults in seeing these mechanical creations come to life whether realistic or toy-like. They might come to life with metal on metal sounds or from advanced sound micro chips and Doppler speakers.

 

Whatever it is that brings us to model railroading and to this Forum, I realize it doesn't have to be on a grand scale to enjoy or appreciate this hobby. All we have to do is experience it and believe in the joy it naturally brings especially at this time of year. I would just advise fellow hobbyists to not loose sight of when enough is enough. Maybe simple is better than all the sound card bells, whistles, action and operating sounds but there is a place for both and I am glad we have a choice.   

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I agree.

I've got to much I admit it.

I like to say I follow the Christian principle of not hoarding things simply for the sake of possessing them.

I like to say I'm not a collector that everything I have I use.

I like to use the excuse for more buying is that if I don't buy it now I won't be able to buy it in six months time when I might need it.

I am a disgrace and I'm an O scaler, funny enough a lot of my friends and acquaintances have the same problem.

I think it's the modern world we live in.

I know it's old but if you can find a copy read "The Hidden Persuaders" by Vance Packard it might help you it didn't help me.

Now in which cupboard did I put that box of freight cars and locomotives?

Roo.

 

Well put for sure. Like you said, to each their own. For me that toy like look and sound is what brings me back to the Christmas tree. When life was simple, worry free and fun. Family members were alive, the house was warm and mom was cooking something good. Seems like yesterday. I wish it was today.

All that said, I love my air whistling,  non-proto smoking, unrealistic railroad tie looking, non-brake squealing, no engineer figured cabing, thank God no crew talking, fake road name Lionel Lines trains.

But I am guilty of hoarding them!!

AMEN!!!

Matt

The funny thing is, all this electronic wizardry was the stuff we were dreaming about in the 1960's and 1970's.  Now that it's here, it seems to be both a blessing and a curse IMHO.

 

Personally, how well a locomotive is detailed, decorated and runs is far more important to me than the "sparky stuff" as one model railroader calls it.  All the various electronics are neat, but it all takes a back seat to the actual models.  All the electronics in the world won't compensate for a poor model.

 

Rusty

I am in an enough is enough personal debate right now.

Enough is enough:

When every engine or car purchased new or used is broken or compromised in some way.

When the best train show in 125 miles is going over to HO and N.

When my closest train show is down to 20 tables.

When the most insignificant or ordinary $2 train item on eBay is won by sniping.

When I log onto eBay to sell something and the site is “improved” almost beyond recognition every month.

When I have no more space to keep my new acquisitions.

When I only have time to get trains and not play with them.

I blew a LOT of money that should have gone into 401k and home upgrades on trains and train stuff in the last 15 years. My evolution has come to the realization that I don't need a lot of expensive engines and cars to enjoy the hobby. For me, however, a neat and interesting layout is a must. Loops of track don't keep my attention for very long, even with the neatest trains running on them. So, after all these years I am trying very hard to stay within limited eastern roadnames and putting my efforts in building the neatest possible layout in the space I have available.

Enough is enough when the first question you ask about a new train is not, "Can I afford this?" but, "Where the bleep am I going to put this if I buy it?" 

 

A friend of mine lost her husband a couple of years ago. He was a wonderful guy, but he was a collector/hoarder of all kinds of stuff (not trains). She has spent much of the past two years cleaning out their houses and selling or giving away stuff. I am helping her sell certain expensive items in an area where I have expertise. Too much stuff can be a real problem when you're still alive, and a bigger problem when you're gone. I just sold some stuff at a train show last weekend and you'll be seeing what I didn't sell on the Buy/Sell Forum next weekend. Enough is enough.

I found that the acquisition was driving me more than the owning/operating. I had much more than I could operate or display so I went cold turkey and just stopped picking up catalogs or looking at them online. I'm trying to just enjoy what I have. I've also gone back to conventional operating. I was initially excited by the novelty of what I could do with TMCC but the novelty eventually wore off. Model railroading is now more of a nostalgia-based hobby for me. If I could start over I'd probably go all tinplate. 

Most hobbyists in any category over buy and repent. Some become dealers then it isn't a hobby any more.  The worst hobby I have ever got in to were old cars-talk about a money pit !! My wife and I had a big collection of antiques and I was able to trade a lot for LIONEL TRAINS !!!   Cool.  I have more trains than I need but I plan to keep buying now and then. Getting rid of a lot of excess stuff though. Have decluttered quite a bit.

In the seventies, I bought and tasted all the wines of the world I could.  Collected a lot.  You eventually settle on those few that you like the most.  Same with trains.  I am done buying anything new with a motor after I honor a pre order.  Reasons are as stated above and add to that the poor QC from ALL manufacturers.  I got an engine in July and it is in the shop (under warranty) for the THIRD time.  We're in mid November and that beautiful engine has less than 15 minutes of track time on my layout.

Larry 3 - You are most articulate and express accurately what many of us have experienced as we re - entered/entered the toy train hobby.  Your experience, as you have so well expressed it, has been pretty much my story as well.  I do agree too that I like having the choice of all the technology and just plain post war trains with only a whistle and headlight in the locomotive.

 

Paul Kallus - I agree its about the experience of operating a layout that is interesting and holds our interest ... thus allowing for a experience that may take our mind temporarily away from life's everyday problems, however big or small.

 

Rusty Traque - Yes, we all dreamed of these wonderful new tech inventions when we grew up with toy trains decades ago.  Back then our imaginations took us there every time we ran our Lionel. Marx, or American Flyer sets around Christmas trees or our temporary Christmas layout mounted on a 4x8 sheet of plywood.... in our minds we heard all the whistles, air horns ( not bicycle horns ), steam sounds, air brakes,  clitty clack, the rush of air from the air hose as cars were uncoupled,  conductor announcements, station announcements and crew talk.  

 

IMHO it was the use of our imaginations that drew us into playing with our trains back then ... somehow it was our imagination which allowed us to leave our present day " real world" and take us into the present moment where linear time seemed to stop ... and there was nothing else but us somehow emotionally merging with our train layouts ... sitting in the cab of our Lionel 2065 steam locomotive ( or whatever loco we had ) and being in command of that freight or passenger train.  Back then our imaginations allowed us to view everything on our layouts ( not just rolling stock and locos but houses, roads, the tunnels .. store bought and homemade with brown grocery bags ) as being scale.   I, like many of us totally lost myself in this scenario for many hours a week of the Christmas season and sometimes daily.  

 

These days i find myself, more and more,  turning off the sound and just sitting there in total enjoyment just watching the trains run ... surrendering to the moment going to that place where there is no linear sense of time.  Like real trains, my toy trains take me to far away places.

 

Im grateful for my trains and grateful for the many fine folks involved in this hobby .. and of course grateful for this Forum provided by OGR.

 

Thanks Larry 3 for your thoughts and sharing them with us on this thread! 

 

 

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Thanks to all for taking the time to reply.

 

You each offer much food for thought and practical do-able ways of thinking of deciding when enough is enough.

 

Many of you referred to the many possible negative effects of over-collecting and give good examples, which I agree with. However, one great friend reminds me that going overboard with collecting, building and operating model trains is quite unlike excessive drinking, drugs, gambling, etc.

 

We all make choices in life and I guess what we learn from those choices and the feedback such as you have all provided is very instructive and helpful.

 

Great to know I am not alone!

 

Thanks again for your comments.

 

 

I think to some extent we are guilt of this including myself. It is being caught up in the fever as the new catalogs come out each year. Part of mine was also having goals.

 

Such as adding that new GE EVO, 408E, and 400E to my collection. I have slowed a great deal in the buying and will continue this as my train room becomes a reality.

 

There will only be so much room in that room to display or run. This is why I have started thinning what I really do not use or cant live without.

 

JoeG

After I decide I like something and the price is agreeable, then I have to visualize where I am going to put it. 

I just don't have room anymore. 

While my collection is not very large, it has to compete for space with all of my 2 yr old grandson's toys and possessions. 

 

I have yet to see him be concerned about where to store any of his horde of toys.

Patrick W - You did a great analysis of the comments thus far and make some wonderful and insightful observations. Thank you.

 

You are totally right about the IMAGINATION back when we were kids and even now running trains. So much of what you said is embodied and probably the reason for the Polar Express movie being so captivating and popular. The theme of "believe" is so central to the movie and to the creation of our imaginations. 

 

I, too, just love to sit and watch the trains run whether it be with the mashing of metal from basic O gauge or from the realistic sounds and actions of the latest MRR technology. In some ways, though it may sound weird, I feel almost like those trains running around are my kids! They are so active and take on personalities all of their own. And, I have some sort of relationship with each one of them and getting to know them better makes it more fun. Each has their own looks, sounds and makes a unique impression on me. Maybe this is facilitated being an empty nestor with our 2 daughters now adults many hours away from where we live. 

 

Imagination...it created the magic of trains when we were children, it creates the excitement of envisioning a new loco or set we notice in a catalog and seeing and hearing it on our layout. It is the same stuff that makes the magic of the Polar Express popular or Disney so powerful.

 

Yes, and thanks to OGR for giving us the Forum to facilitate and stimulate our imaginations. As we get older we naturally (and hopefully) reflect and seem to treasure the good feelings of youth but imagination is not reserved for the young; it is probably much more important to keep it alive as we grow old and appreciate our lives back then and in the precious present as well. 

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Several OGR issues back, maybe more, there was a piece about focus.  That piece hit home.  Since them owned items have been culled and will continue to be culled in favor of sticking to the focus of the layout.  Locomotive roster is for the most part complete, now it will be details, details, details.  I agree with an earlier poster, if it isn't on the layout or on display it is gone. 

It's not having what you want

It's wanting what you've got

-From the song, "Soak Up the Sun" By Sheryl Crow

I try to live by this mantra.

If you're the type who's always looking for the next big buy, you'll never be happy.

I'm only looking for specific detail stuff and small items for my layout at this point. Maybe a few more boxcars might be good, too. But nothing big at this point other than construction materials to complete the finished layout itself. 

The RR I model only had three locomotives in the timeframe I model it, and I'm lucky that they're commercially-made in the exact paint job I needed for the timeframe (all I had to do was re-number one and swap some sound-equipped components from non-sound to have them all sound equipped). The real RR had traded two ten-wheelers away to the White Pass & Yukon the year before (one of which is made by Bachmann as well), but I did an 'alternate reality' stance that instead of Alaska, it went to the fictional branch line my layout represents. But really, this is as many engines as I could own and make any kind of sense, and even here I'm stretching things an awful lot:

 

 

Bottom line, these are all the locomotives I'll have in O scale. As much as a 'wall of engines' display would be cool, I am disciplined enough to remain focused on my hobby goals.  

You've got to be happy with what you have at some point. Otherwise, you'll never be happy at all. It took me a while for the lesson to take hold but now I make a point for hitting hobby shops and train shows with a tightly-focused list, and a short one at that. Sure a few, "Hey, that's cool" purchases will come every now and then. But setting specific goals and sticking with them will keep you in that budget. You need self discipline.

I seriously wonder about anyone who says, "You can never have too much/many _____..." Yes, you really can. I've seen people who have way too much hobby stuff and its rarely a pretty thing to see.

This is a great thread, Well Presented, and really True to Life with many of us. I am completely Guilty, thinking I have to have the best of the best, when, in Reality, I would be just as happy running that 1954 New York Central ABA with a nice freight load on the carpet, in the Living Room Where all the Dreams Began!!! I have began selling those trains, which have been in boxes for 10 or more years and never been opened. Yes, Enough is Enough....I am there.....Happy Railroading

Yes, to both:

"You never know what is enough until you know what is more than enough."

 

I just spoke with all of your dealers. They all said the same. None of you have enough.

 

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Then there is me. Always neither one thing or the other in life - but then I don't believe in "ideologies".

 

If it was all still e-units, ugly track, AC motors and transformers, I wouldn't even be on this Forum, or even know that it existed. My 2055 would be on the mantle and I would have no other O-gauge equipment. O scale, maybe - or some other

scale, but more likely, none at all.

 

But, ProtoVisionSoundRail 3.0 run from some telephone app just makes my eyes cross.

Creepy. It's not about the operating system - it's about the models. I have ERR'd many a loco, mostly steam, and lately I have been skipping the sound; just putting in the Command Control.

After a while the sound in an enclosed space can get tiresome. Especially older steam models. One chuff per month. PS1 diesel is pretty annoying, too.

 

So - what's coming (hyper-complex and expensive) I don't want, and what's been (Conventional/Traditional) is definitely not on the menu, which leads me to say that

the best way to build/run these things would be:

 

- scale models, but allowing for optional (and included, at these prices) blind drivers and    swinging pilots so you can get a layout in a real house rather than a barn

- good, proper gearing (as in the older, 2-rail O world)

- straight DC

 

These points allow for equipment that looks good, runs slowly if desired without electronics being "necessary" (no "cruise" required), simple DC-polarity reversing, requires only a DC power source and can be fixed by almost anyone: there's nothing inside but a motor, gears and a headlight or two. What you don't have can't break. That applies to old mechanical e-units and sound boards and everything in between.

 

 

Originally Posted by trumptrain:

 

Rusty Traque - Yes, we all dreamed of these wonderful new tech inventions when we grew up with toy trains decades ago.  Back then our imaginations took us there every time we ran our Lionel. Marx, or American Flyer sets around Christmas trees or our temporary Christmas layout mounted on a 4x8 sheet of plywood.... in our minds we heard all the whistles, air horns ( not bicycle horns ), steam sounds, air brakes,  clitty clack, the rush of air from the air hose as cars were uncoupled,  conductor announcements, station announcements and crew talk.

 

Got that right...  Plus the imagination is 100% compatible with any scale, gauge or manufacturer of trains and its totally FREE!

 

Rusty

Sometimes, you just have to ask yourself...."Do you own your stuff.....or does your stuff own you?"  It's somewhat of a cliché.....but very profound/applicable, IMHO.

 

Personally, I'm so turned off by the BTO Program.....along with the absurd prices that are currently attached to many of the BTO items....that's it has been very easy for me to refrain from purchasing new Lionel items over the past two years or so.  Throw in the quality control issues caused by kids in China not working hard or smart enough after school, and it becomes even easier to detach from purchasing new items.

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Originally Posted by Berkshire President:
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Personally, I'm so turned off by the BTO Program.....along with the absurd prices that are currently attached to many of the BTO items....that's it has been very easy for me to refrain from purchasing new Lionel items over the past two years or so.  Throw in the quality control issues caused by kids in China not working hard or smart enough after school, and it becomes even easier to detach from purchasing new items.

This quote expresses my feelings EXACTLY.

 

I thought long and hard about pre-ordering Atlas-O Maxi-IV Well Cars -- not so much because the price of the cars, but because of the ridiculous price for the containers.  After spending almost $500 on two 3-car sets (empty), I needed to spend another $300 and change for 12 containers (which are the absolute WORST price/performers for our money these days -- regardless of the detail level).

 

I was originally planning to buy 4 sets, but cut my pre-order back to just the two sets w/containers (Pacer StackTrain).  If Atlas-O offers the CSX "How Tomorrow Moves" containers in the future, I'll think about purchasing a couple sets of TTX well cars (if they re-run them).  Otherwise, I have more than enough original Atlas-O and MTH Gunderson twin-stack cars to make a terrific intermodal train.

 

If we're candidly honest with ourselves, most of us here already have more than enough trains on our roster.  I know I do... I'll admit it, and that's why I've run the number of "collection-thinning" for-sale ads here on the forum since 2011.  Works for me... as long as folks don't expect fire-sale prices all the time.    And fortunately lots of folks have been reasonably fair about buying at prices that make it a win-win transaction.  I'm not interested in win-lose transactions, and I'm seldom in a rush to sell toy trains.  Like in real-estate, there's a buyer for every train. 

 

I've finally decided to take my own advice  and make some progress on a new layout combining O-Gauge and Standard Gauge.  Building a layout is a great way to KNOW exactly how much space you have to operate trains, and how much space you have on wall shelves to display product.  Stashing stuff away in boxes is the WORST thing we can do, since you never get a handle on "how much" you've purchased until you're staring at a basement or storage space FILLED with endless train boxes that all look the same! 

 

Perhaps I'm wrong... but with the number of folks here I'm thinking are already in the "enough is enough" camp, I'm amazed how the toy train importers are even staying in business.  Although we certainly like them to continue producing new product to make things interesting, I can honestly say that if toy train production ended tomorrow I'd be perfectly content with the items I already own.  And I'd be more than happy building the best layout I can build in the space allotted.    What a great creative outlet... and you don't need to feel beholden to the next catalog's pre-order deadline rat-race. 

 

David

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Originally Posted by Berkshire President:

Sometimes, you just have to ask yourself...."Do you own your stuff.....or does your stuff own you?"  It's somewhat of a cliché.....but very profound/applicable, IMHO.

 
I agree fully.
 
Originally Posted by Rocky Mountaineer:
If we're candidly honest with ourselves, most of us here already have more than enough trains on our roster. 

 No question there.

I'm not a 'collector' of model trains. Instead, I bought the stuff I have to actually run on my (small On30) layout. I have no wall racks to place anything on and frankly, I find the idea of never opening rolling stock from the boxes to be downright baffling to me (especially the new stuff), but to each their own. Constantly being in buying mode, unless you're a dealer trying to make a living with a profit margin, never made any sense to me from an early age because as quoted above, eventually the stuff owns you.

It boils down to this; when the 'getting' ceases to be fun, quit buying stuff you're not using a lot.

 

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I'm not a 'collector' of model trains. Instead, I bought the stuff I have to actually run on my (small On30) layout. I have no wall racks to place anything on and frankly, I find the idea of never opening rolling stock from the boxes to be downright baffling to me (especially the new stuff), but to each their own.



 

I am a collector and proud of it.  As far as I am concerned:

Collecting isn't about having the most trains when you die. Collecting isn't about buying newly made stuff and storing it in unopened boxes. Nor is it about setting up miles of shelves and putting everything out on display. (but if you want to do those things, that's fine with me)

Collecting is about the activities surrounding the building of the collection. It involves researching the items of interest, and finding them. The endless parade of books and price guides on Lionel have impacted collecting, as has EBay. But those books / guides still don't cover everything, and are not 100 percent accurate. One does not have to use EBay. I buy many things from EBay, but rarely are they for my train collection.

 

When is enough enough? ... when you are spending money on trains that should be used elsewhere. When you are purchasing items for the sake of purchasing them. When you are out of room. When you are finding that you has lost interest in them after only a few years, and always have to be purchasing something new to maintain your interest.

 

Anybody interested in reading what collecting is about might want to find a copy of "The Toy Collector" by Louis Hertz.

 

 

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Our willingness and ability to buy way too many trains is what keeps Lionel, MTH and the others in business.

 

I know that I have "too" many trains.  Onetime in the distance past I had more EP-5 electrics than the real New Haven Railroad.  The NH only had ten of these beauties.  I am down to 3 at this time:  2 K-Line and 1 MTH.  I was tempted to buy some more when MTH brought out the PS-3 version.  I have managed to resist the urge to splurge so far.  The real truth is that I am waiting for a real good deal.

 

NH Joe

 

 

 

 

There are no wrong answers here.  Everyone enjoys the model train hobby in their own way.  But when I see family and forum members passing away, it makes me think of my own mortality.  So I'm enjoying this hobby with gusto.  Yes, I have a ton of trains, but that's because I like the variety to operate on my layout, especially trains I see out in the wild.

 

I feel no guilt from the enjoyment, I've made my sacrifices earlier in life so I can have fun now.  There will be a time in the future that I can't keep the current buying pace financially, so I'm enjoying while I can.

 

As I keep saying, rotation is the key to happiness.  Change out the trains you have occasionally and it'll look like a fresh new layout!  It's soooo much easier to give in and have fun.  No fear, no doubt, no guilt, all out!

 

Remember, eat, drink, buy trains and be merry for tomorrow we may be dead!  Now excuse me while I go check on some pre-orders.  

It's a subject by itself, but being a burden on your family after you're gone should be of some concern to any hobbyist, as many hobby-related things have no apparent value in a secondary market (and the things that seem worthless might be quite valuable), leaving the family to spend a long time trying to sort through it all.

That said, it's also the thing that family might remember best of you. Ask before you get rid of everything when you feel you're at the end of the road. I knew of a guy into another hobby, was diagnosed with a terminal illness, so he sold off all his stuff so ask to not be a burden, never having told the family.

His heart was in the right place, and he passed before his kids realized all his stuff was gone. They were given each an inheritance that wasn't a pittance, and several of them spent a great deal buying back some of their father's things because that's what they remembered about him.

Talk to you family about stuff like this, no matter how young you are!

I'm only in my 40s but I have long ago told my wife what my stuff is worth and how best to rid herself of it without just giving/throwing it all away.




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I'm only in my 40s but I have long ago told my wife what my stuff is worth and how best to rid herself of it without just giving/throwing it all away.




 

I think that's great advice. I try to keep my inventory up to date, including reasonable values for everything. One place I've fallen short is on my tools and parts inventory. But i have been working on labeling those parts, along with approximate cost / value.

 

I don't see my family selling off my trains piecemeal. I think the kids might select a few pieces to keep, and my wife will auction the rest.

I just spent 8 hours today digging boxes out from under the layout and storing them up in the attic. I swear I never knew I owned so much. I thinking twice before I buy my next piece of rolling stock!

About this thread and owning too much... its what floats your boat really.

I really don't need any more trains so I just look at key pieces that i really want and will focus on those.

 

What I really like about this hobby is the friends I have met and the club i am in. 

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