Williams F-3s

Frank,

I believe they are technically F7's. Dual can motors with flywheels in powered unit. I have several sets. Pretty much bullet proof. Probably basic horn and bell, you can add true sounds plus if you want. Sounds are usually muffled  in Williams due to no speaker vent.. Nice looking set.

Jeff

Postwarman, Thank You

Your welcome, I forgot to mention that they are Williams by Bachmann, which you probably already know...

Jeff

Jeff, do You recall the year that the units were manufactured and how much did they cost. Thanks Frank

Sorry Frank, I don't know. I'm sure someone will chime in.

Jeff

I bought a new UP 20725 F7, A-A set on 6/5/2011 for 193.00$ plus 10.00 shipping.  They run great, the dummy unit has a light, but the sounds are not good as mentioned.  Did not buy a B unit.

I have three complete A-B-A sets of williams F-3's. All of them are great runners, although one powered unit tends to get rather warm to the touch after about one hour of continuous running. Other than that, no problems at all. You made a good buy, in my opinion.

My Williams by Bachman F7's run superbly!  No problems what so ever.  Sit back and enjoy your MoPacs!

Do you need Williams Passenger cars for those Missouri Pacific Engines to pull ?

@trainnerd posted:

Do you need Williams Passenger cars for those Missouri Pacific Engines to pull ?

Patrick, Thanks ,as of now I'm not sure I will keep them or sell them, I just acquired them this past weekend with some other engines. still don't no their value, seem in very nice shape.

Williams engines do not have a very high resale price.  But for someone who either runs conventional or doesn't mind messing with them to install Command Control, they are a great bargain.  They look very nice, because they are simple in construction they are bulletproof, and you can run them and run them without worrying that somehow you are hurting the value.  There are nice Williams passenger cars available that are good looking.  Cool MoPac engines.  If they were mine I would keep them and run them a lot.

Williams has made both F3s and F7s. The F3s are copies of Lionel Post War. I believe the F7s uses Kusan molds. Motors are the same but the trucks are apparently slightly different. When Williams offered power upgrade kits for their diesels the F3 and F7 power trucks had different part numbers.

Pete

The Williams F7’s also are shorter, have a flatter nose and no grab irons.

Curt

Those Williams-Bachman sets for the F3 and F7 are still out there NIB on some sites, but for some reason the F7s are priced as much as $75 to $100 higher than the F3s.  I would prefer to get an F7 set, because I like shorter engines, but have to ask myself if that justifies paying so much more.  (Especially since I would be getting rid of the dummy unit.)

Mannyrock

Just for  clarity, I am talking about A-A sets.

The Wms F3's are more accurate than the F7's - the Kusan nose is not shaped correctly. All actual EMD F's had the same "face".

Having said that, both types are a lot of bang for the buck, if bought wisely. Easy to upgrade to Command Control. As a matter if fact, the Williams (WBB or otherwise) F3's and F7's couple closer than more expensive models, and often look more realistic because of it. This also applies to their Alco FA's. 

@Mannyrock posted:

Just for  clarity, I am talking about A-A sets.

Mannyrock,

Just thought I'd toss this out...

I had these Williams WP F3s listed for sale on the Forum a few months back. No takers then. These are great looking trains and are virtually brand new.

Don't want to say more on this thread but if interested, shoot me an email and we'll talk.

Thanks John,

Sadly, no more train money until December.  (I had to sneak that last BEEP and my Z-1000 into the house!)

Mannyrock   

@Mannyrock posted:

Thanks John,

Sadly, no more train money until December.  (I had to sneak that last BEEP and my Z-1000 into the house!)

Mannyrock   

Gotcha!

The F3 uses motors with flat flywheels due to low clearance due to the die cast frame. F7 motors won't work in a F3.

@Norton posted:

Williams has made both F3s and F7s... Motors are the same but the trucks are apparently slightly different. When Williams offered power upgrade kits for their diesels the F3 and F7 power trucks had different part numbers.

Pete

Just the opposite. The trucks are the same, but the motors have different flywheels. As Gene already stated, that's because the F3 body has less internal headroom than the F7.