Williams Scale Hudson #4000 Cab #5405

Tom weaver posted:

I have some questions on a newly acquired Williams Hudson #4000 

Anyone  have a source for instruction sheet for Loco?

Apparently there are 2 versions of the Williams Scale model?

I saw a photo that had a round brass piece and an Allen wrench?

Suggested improvements on Loco? Or should I just park it on the scrap tack? 

Somewhere on this site has got to be info on loco but apparently I'm not smart enough to use advanced search!

Thanks  Tom Weaver

 

Why is that one of only 2 options? Does it not work? Just curious...

Mark in Oregon

 I bought one in 1985 that was a bargain price.  Afterwards I sent it to two guys that added a flywheel and a smoke unit. I did not run it much but it ran fine except for some issues with the front truck.

They made a Dreyfuss version at they same time and someone recently did an upgrade in one of the mags not long ago. Might be worth looking for.

I had both back in the day and to be honest they were junk and not worth upgrading. Very little detail, lousy runners for the most part. The black Hudson ran better then the Dreyfus but not by much. 

I would not spend too much money on them and just run them as they are. 

Dave

Tom weaver posted:

I have some questions on a newly acquired Williams Hudson #4000 

Anyone  have a source for instruction sheet for Loco?

 

Thanks  Tom Weaver

 

I acquired both the Dreyfuss and the black version (5405) of these NYC Hudsons when they were issued (somewhere in the eighties). They did not have fancy boxes with text, but just plain brown boxes with Williams and the product number printed on it. No instructions or spare parts/tools were included. These are very simple engines so there is no need for instructions (I think).  The Dreyfuss version I sold to buy a Weaver version with beter detailing. The 5405 I kept and it runs:

Regards

Fred

Tom weaver posted:

I have some questions on a newly acquired Williams Hudson #4000 

Anyone  have a source for instruction sheet for Loco?

Apparently there are 2 versions of the Williams Scale model?

I saw a photo that had a round brass piece and an Allen wrench?

Suggested improvements on Loco? Or should I just park it on the scrap tack? 

Somewhere on this site has got to be info on loco but apparently I'm not smart enough to use advanced search!

Thanks  Tom Weaver

 

Here is a photo of "tool"? that was pictured in an add 

sncf231e posted:

Tom weaver posted:

I have some questions on a newly acquired Williams Hudson #4000 

Anyone  have a source for instruction sheet for Loco?

 

Thanks  Tom Weaver

 

I acquired both the Dreyfuss and the black version (5405) of these NYC Hudsons when they were issued (somewhere in the eighties). They did not have fancy boxes with text, but just plain brown boxes with Williams and the product number printed on it. No instructions or spare parts/tools were included. These are very simple engines so there is no need for instructions (I think).  The Dreyfuss version I sold to buy a Weaver version with beter detailing. The 5405 I kept and it runs:

Regards

Fred

Thank You Fred for posting Video! Very nice looking layout!   

Tom weaver posted:

Tom weaver posted:

I have some questions on a newly acquired Williams Hudson #4000 

Anyone  have a source for instruction sheet for Loco?

Apparently there are 2 versions of the Williams Scale model?

I saw a photo that had a round brass piece and an Allen wrench?

Suggested improvements on Loco? Or should I just park it on the scrap tack? 

Somewhere on this site has got to be info on loco but apparently I'm not smart enough to use advanced search!

Thanks  Tom Weaver

 

Here is a photo of "tool"? that was pictured in an add 

That looks like the flywheel from the Lionel CC Niagara which has a Pittman motor. Maybe not. Pull the shell off and take a look. I think all the Williams brass has Mabuchi motors.

Pete

I bought the 4000 Hudson back in the 90's, that's the after-market flywheel that Williams sold. OGR magazine had an article on how to install it. It was mounted between the motor and the universal joint. The DCRU had been replaced with a rectifier and a DPDT switch, and the frame was cracked and patched with a big glob of solder. It didn't pull much either. That said, it was the Hudson I could afford at the time. One big plus for me was the empty coal bin in the tender: I used to fill it with my #397 loader much to the delight of my young (at the time) daughter. When I sold it a few years back, that was actually a selling point. 

As an aside, do not confuse these early, and rather mechanically poor, Williams Hudsons with the later very competent Samhongsa-built Williams scale brass locos (Niagara, USRA Pacifics and Mikes, SP GS-4, etc.), and the even later Williams brass NYC Hudsons (Dreyfuss and "regular"), which were exquisite, and built by, I do believe, the same builder that 3rd Rail uses/used.

I do have an early Wms Hudson as discussed above; it's crude, but pretty well detailed and kind of lovable in an early, "we never had this brass stuff in 3RO before" kind of way. They can be OK; just treat them gently.  

I agree with D500.  We grew up with sub scale Lionel so this engine and the Dreyfuss looked pretty good at the time.  This was only his second try at scale engines so a little slack is deserved.

Hello Guys and Gals

I have one of those early Williams Dreyfuss Hudson # 4001.  I am still working on overhauling the whole engine but it weak part is the orginal gearbox which is already worn.   This engine is very crude and poorly made and it had lot of bugs in ,spend lot of time and effort fixing up but still need a better made gearbox for it (double ider type) Any ideas ?

He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.  NKJV Psalm 91:1

Tiffany

Well Locomotive arrived. Using reviews from various magazines This may be a later Loco. There is no coal load in tender( Maybe they were/are removable?)  The loco is heavy and the item that was mention in the reviews was there being no bulk head and Motor was visible!  This example has a bulk with basic details so maybe I got a newer version! 

Are these supposed to sound a bit like coffee grinders while running around the track?  And what Radius are they rated for?

Ponz

Ponz posted:

Are these supposed to sound a bit like coffee grinders while running around the track?  And what Radius are they rated for?

Ponz

Looking at the picture you posted on the sale forum, the eccentric cranks are located in the wrong postion. Its a wonder the engine runs at all. Looking at each side the tip of the crank should be pointing just forward of the axle with the wheels turning in the forward direction. Compare with other steam engines in your roster.

Pete