With all the new steam engines being restored what is the status of this one?

The one that really has me mad is the Mohawk... That is one piece of history that needs to be restored...

yes the question is... is there enough of it left to restore?

 

Another steam engine story is the Chessie/Reading T-1... what happened to this one?

It just disappeared from the face of the earth. I used to chase this one when I was a kid on my bike....

 

 

Thought that READING T1 was in the Baltimore roundhouse fire and beyond repair.

Is it in the Baltimore train museum?

Charlie you're correct. Unfortunately the last few times I was there it was sitting outside and its AFT paint has flaked off.

wasn't there a swap that was made, so the fire damage engine was a display engine only and the other one brought out from the museum restorable?

 

hmm... seems the CSX needs to get on the stick!

The "establishment" wants the TWO Mohawks to go away.

who is this "establishment'?

The Elkhart museum?

I know they are looking at restoring the 3001 L3a pending funds.

Its sad that there are only 4 NYC steam engines left in the world. 

Four? What are the other three? I only knew of one Mohawk.

 

Chester

After the roundhouse fire I believe Ross Rowland made a deal to swap RDG 2101 for C&O 614 which was part of the B&O Museum collection at the time.

 

--Reed 

It is not CSX's responsibility to maintain any engine that is in the museum nor is CSX obligated to host/allow steam locomotives to use their property. 

The 2926 might have a better chance.

 

But the question remains, who would let it on their rails?

 

Rusty

Absolutely correct. But the publicity and advertisement is HUGE!

I rode and chased the chessie steam special engine many times. It was great. 

Chester that's ok... I did not know either.

 

The four surviving class NYC steam engines are as follows:

 

Two Mohawks, one at Elkhart and one at St. Louis. Two 0-6-0's, one of which is now in southern Indiana at Connersville, Indiana and the other moved from display in Dayton, Ohio not too long ago to some location in New York state. A wonderful Atlantic resides at the Henry Ford Museum. The 4-4-2 has a belpaire firebox but was built for a NYC line. I believe all three of these locos are of Big Four heritage.

oh and lastly the 4th class of the NYC engine is the :

The NYC 4-4-0, 999 at the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry.

I rode the Chessie special twice, Gettysburg & Harpers Ferry.

 

Drove my van down for the 1st trip, but decided to take the train for the next trip.

Wouldn't you know that there was an Baltimore vrs Philadelphia football game and on the return trip stood in the Pallor car most of the way with a 6 year old and 4 year boys to boot.

CSX seems to be doing fine running a railroad without teakettles.

 

Rusty

I lived in Baltimore for more than 30 years and I don't ever recall a roundhouse fire ever at the B&O Museum, do you possibly mean when the roof collapsed in the blizzard of 2003?

 

There was a fire On March 7, 1979, while being stored in a Chessie System roundhouse in Silver Grove, KY, 2101 was severely damaged.

 

Jerry

So is the UP, but that's not stopping them.

Maybe so, but a steam program of any stripe runs solely at the pleasure of railroad management. 

 

A change in management can turn a steam program on or off and I doubt the majority stockholders care one way or the other.

 

Rusty

no the roundhouse fire was not at the B&O Museum. It was in Kentucky IIRC when Ross Rowland was doing some excursions. If you get the chance, watch the Phoniex Engine Rich Melvin made. It tells the story of the fire, and Ross geting the 614 in trade.

After the fire Chessie offered up the 614 to Ross for the 2101, and the 2101 was returned to the B&O museum with the condition that it be cosmetically restored into her AFT colors.

 

The 2101 was damaged in a roundhouse fire in early 1979 in Silver Grove, KY.  It is currently at the B&O Railroad Museum painted as American Freedom Train #1.

 

The engine IS restorable, but the decision at the time was not to chance it.  The Chessie deal to trade it with any engine in the B&O collection helped make the decision a no-brainer.  Ross Rowland selected C&O 614, and the Chessie Steam Special excursions resumed in the fall 1980.

Kevin

What the brass care about is the PR value of the program, if they didn't see a big return in PR from it.. I imagine it would die a swift death.

Doing some research the 614 owned by Ross Roland is stored serviceable and he may return it to service in a future project called The Greenbrier Express.

well that project is already underway, but with the 614 painted up green and sitting cold on display.

I believe the Greenbrier Express is a dead project.  First as we all know CSX has a no steam policy, and I thought there were issues with regards to the coaches meeting todays standards??? Or the cost of upgrading them??  Maybe someone else remembers the details better???

The one in New York is at the Children's Museum in Utica, NY It is next door to the Utica Union Station, (Amtrak, Adirondack Scenic RR) which is the site of a NICE train meet held each January.

No. The whole entire 2912 project in Pueblo, CO turned out to be a bust. 

The 2926 group did borrow some items from the 2912 in order to use them as templates so they could make copies to replace the parts that they had stolen from them.

That is a bummer, seems they bit more off than they could chew? So has the engine been put back together cosmetically?

 

 

Is that the one on display at the station in Utica?

I say have them contact Illinois Railway Museum here, maybe they would jump on it if the price was right....ah, there's the issue! They just got they're lil Joe running....

yes...

 

Here's what the website says. They're fundraising to get it restored for display. I saw that engine a number of years ago. I was amazed by its size - an enormous engine and tender.

2912 FUND RAISER

The Pueblo Railway Foundation  has a Fund Raising Program to cosmetically restore our Santa Fe (ATSF) Steam Locomotive # 2912. Wasatch Railroad Contractors of Cheyenne, Wyoming has given a bid of $250,000.00 to do the job.

The ATSF 2912 is on the Colorado State Register of Historic Properties that qualifies restoration projects for State Historic Funds. They require us to obtain $60,000.00 in matching funds.

What became of the P-Nellie U3 0-8-0s that were transfered to the SnL in Ontario, and ran to the mid '60s??  This had to be just about it for NYCS steam. These were modified USRA machines.

Nothing is "beyond repair" with enough cubic dollars, but it is the least likely RDG T-1 to ever operate again.  (In related news, Andy Muller has hired an outside contractor to tear down and evaluate the 2102 for restoration.  When a realistic estimate is reached, the final decision to rebuild or park will be made.)