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Here is a link to a topic which is interesting to me.

 

https://www.youtube.com/playli...Bn7KSsLWHFqBJUleJU9m

 

Has anyone heard any news of further progress? Even though this engine supposedly saw only 10 years of active service on the C&O before the fires were last dropped at the end of steam, these old engines are tricky. It is not a good idea to assume that returning it to service will be easy. They kind of stare at you and dare you to do something with them. It would be fantastic if they can get it going again, but I figured it would be a 5 year project when I first heard about it. Check out the link. It is instructive

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J

 

 

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I'd love to know if Jack has any insight as he seems to know most of the people in steam these days...

I'd seen that locomotive several times when I'd hit the B&O museum back when I was in the area often. Hadn't seen it since 2011 on my last visit there. I'd never poked around in the running gear, so I can't say what shape she was in other than it'd been a long time since she'd seen the business end of a paintbrush, spray gun or any tools...

Originally Posted by p51:

I'd love to know if Jack has any insight as he seems to know most of the people in steam these days...

I'd seen that locomotive several times when I'd hit the B&O museum back when I was in the area often. Hadn't seen it since 2011 on my last visit there. I'd never poked around in the running gear, so I can't say what shape she was in other than it'd been a long time since she'd seen the business end of a paintbrush, spray gun or any tools...

Generally speaking, the running gear tends to be the most important part of "restoring/rebuilding" a large steam locomotive. That said, the running gear should always be the FIRST area of the locomotive receiving an extensive inspection. Sad to say, many operations have tended to begin with the boiler, whiteout even looking into the running gear. Believe me, the Western Maryland Scenic folks have done their homework in advance.

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I like to think I know this locomotive well... my car broke down in the museum parking lot right in beside 1309 and I spent the next three hours (after the museum had closed) waiting for a tow truck, looking over the locomotive head to toe.  Alas, I don't really know all that much about steam locomotives!  

 

I had always thought 1309 was a neat looking locomotive and never thought it would ever have a chance to run again.  

 

To my unpracticed eyes, it looked scary.  Lots of rust (really lose and rusted jacketing) and what appeared worst of all was the cut up steam supply pipe between the two engines.  

 

But in hindsight, it was very complete and intact.  I did know then a major question would be the unknown condition of the boiler and I don't know enough to know what was good or bad about the running gear.

 

But I certainly look forward to hearing this locomotive start a train and then maintain speed.

 

Bob

 

 

Originally Posted by superwarp1:

It was announced at the Trains Magazine preservation awards where WMSR received a 10,000 grant that 1309 will not be ready until late July due to issues with the boiler.  Guess the rear tube sheet needs more attention than they first thought.

Things like that happen when doing "This Old Chooch."  The closer you get to the bare bones, the more likely you'll find something that needs extra work.

 

Rusty

Ok this sums it up.

 

1. the firebox looks like it's in "like new condition"  They figure it was changed out right before it was retired.

 

2. they found several areas of corrosion in the boiler and rear tube sheet that would meet current standards but would have to be addressed in 3-5 years.  So they decided since they are there now, to fix it now.  Hence the delay until July 2016

 

3. They have launched "1309 Completion Campaign The campaign hopes to raise $200,000 through the expansion of its popular “Hand on the Throttle” program. A $500 (or greater) donation, the recipient will receive a gift certificate for a cab ride in No. 1309 during regularly scheduled excursions. For a $1,000 (or greater) donation, the donor will receive a gift certificate for 30 minutes of throttle time. For $2,000 or more, the donor will receive a 1-hour experience.

Originally Posted by The Bellcaptain:
I don't wanna knock the group but it seems buying and restoring 1309 so late into 734s lifespan seems rather foolish. Because now instead of having a back up engine now there will be 2 requiring major amounts of work.

What are you suggesting, that they should have bought 1309 sooner?  It's not like you can just go down to the store and buy a restorable 2-6-6-2 whenever you want to.

That was the plan: 1309 was acquired in 2014, (after an extensive search for a suitable locomotive) to be rebuilt and placed in service at the beginning of the 2016 season, effecting a relatively seamless xfer from 734, allowing 734 to go into the shop for a long, well funded rebuild.  This has slipped 2/3 months.  Not unexpected really.

 

Not everyone needs 5 or more years to rebuild an articulated locomotive.

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If I'm not mistaken the WMSRR has said they won't really touch the 734 for a while in an effort to buid the $$$ in the bank back up after the 1309. 

 

Regardless of when the 1309 runs, and I've got no doubts in the crew at WMSRR, having spent years seeing, climbing on, photographing, "inspecting", etc the 1309 at the B&O museum, never thinking it would ever run again, I can't wait to see it. What a thrill it will be!

WMSR has said they would like nothing better than to someday see 1309 at the head of a long train, with 734 as helper.  Or vice versa.  Or to have both available as needed.  But that is several years in the future.  But for now its enough to have one in Revenue service with the other awaiting revenue for overhaul.  And vice versa!

Greetings all;

My apologies that I have not been able to respond latel.  We have been very busy as we continue to reinvent the WMSR in general and rebuild #1309 in particular. Not to mention that since October, we have been at the height of our season.  In fact, the WMSR had the highest-ever single month ridership this October and our highest one-day ridership recorded in our history, again in October.  

 

As usual, there has been some excellent discussion and good questions raised here and on other boards.  I'd like to take the opportunity to dispel rumors and clarify what is happening with the WMSR.

 

The first has to do with the possibilities of other locomotives filling in until #1309 is completed.  I have examined the possibility to have a "fill-in" locomotive, but we just do not believe the cost will justify the investment, let alone earning a return on the investment. When you think about the delay, it is in reality only about 90-days; hardly enough to justify an estimated $60K to get a "hired gun" to the WMSR.  This doesn't include any lease payments, just movement costs.  Even if we could get a locomotive moved in at little or no cost, we have to consider the physical railroad itself.  The C&P section of the WMSR has significantly tighter curves than many railroads, to include a 22-degree curve at Frostburg.  Many locomotives don't like such tight curves, while other locomotives may have high horsepower but not the tractive effort we need.  Regarding other diesels for lease, a pretty paint job or certain body design doesn't mean a locomotive is reliable, and we have to have reliability.  I would love to get our GP-30's painted as they are looking tired, but we've put nearly $100K into them this year to improve their reliability--a significant sum when we are also trying to rebuild #1309.  However, that investment paid off this year as while they aren't perfect, we didn't have to cancel any trips due to power availability. 

 

A question arose about the timing of #1309.  I arrived at the WMSR on April 15th and took the reigns on May 10th, 2013.  I started asking questions about #734's remaining boiler time (approximately 300 days at the time), rebuild plan and allocated budget.  The plan was to rebuild #734 in the 5-month off-season with a budget of approximately $400K.  While I am not a steam expert, I've known many other projects managed by excellent leaders that ran into enough problems to know that this plan didn't have a high probability of success.  By late June of 2013, we started to look for a new steam locomotive that had the a) tractive effort, b) fuel economy, c) axle loading and, d) flexibility to be considered.  While we considered a total of 5 locomotives, we ultimately decided to pursue the #1309.  By the time we were able to announce our decision to acquire the #1309 from the B&O Museum, it was May of 2014.  When we were able to line up movement, we lifted the #1309 and began prepping for shipment on July 10th, 2014. #1309 arrived at the WMSR July 24th, 2014.  We plan on releasing #1309 on July 24th, 2016; the two-year anniversary of her arrival.  If she is done early, we expect to press her into service early!

 

Regarding #734, we are going to pay-off #1309's rebuild first before we undertake any new steam locomotive rebuilds.  Remember, we do not have a class 1 backing us; this is a grass-roots effort!  Also, WMSR will be placing money in a protected investment account to ensure her next rebuild will be paid for in advance.  For each operating day, #1309 will have approximately $500 per operating day placed into the rebuild fund; a move which I have already had passed by our Board of Directors.  This will take nearly $50K per year from our operating funds, as well as money from #734's potential rebuild, but this will ensure that #1309 will be properly maintained for years to come.  Quite simply, as the last commercially built steam locomotive constructed for a U.S. railroad, she deserves nothing less.  Speaking of #734, we expect that rebuild to be even more costly than #1309.  She has been a workhorse for us, and deserves some much needed TLC. 

 

At the end of the 2015 operating year, #734 will have approximately 18 days left on her boiler before her current annual inspection expires in mid-April.  We are planning to have a number of special events such as a VIP charter in January, photo freight charter for Pete Lerro Productions on Feb 17th, and a number of WMSR Foundation events.  We are also considering some events in March.  In short, we do not expect to have enough days left on #734's boiler to justify an annual inspection and hydro-test to operate in 2016.   

 

With regard to our donation drive, we have limited the number of certificates to the number of operating days and capacity we expect to see #1309 operate in 2016.  I can not emphasize this enough--once we sell out, we will not allocate any more certificates for cab rides or our guest engineer program (Hands on the Throttle) for 2016.  The donation program is the only way to get a cab ride or your Hands on the Throttle of #1309 in 2016.  And yes, #1309 will be ready!

 

I hope this helps to clarify some of the questions, and I look forward to seeing you on the WMSR soon!

 

Mike Gresham

General Superintendent

WMSR 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Borden Tunnel:
Originally Posted by superwarp1:

When 1309 is up and running is there really a need for 734 anymore?

Seriously?

YES, how long have they been running with just 734?  Seems they could get by just fine with one steam engine.  And stated by WMSR1 it could be awhile before we see 734 steamed up after her 15 years expire.

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I was in Cumberland last Saturday and talked to management & train crew.  I was told the 1309 was slated for it's first run in July.  I think the date the gave was July 24.  I'm seriously considering going back out there a year from now.   You'll see why in either this week or next week's "Midweek Photos."

 

Kent in SD

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