WOW the 3rd Rail Jawn Henry

Link:

http://www.3rdrail.com/reservation.html#TE1

Baseball anyone?

A Jawn Henry?!

On 072 ?!!! This I got to see...

Wasn't the C&O M-1 longer than the Jawn Henry?  If so that shouldn't be a problem since MTH made the M-1 and it works on those curves.

My MTH M-1 Turbine does fine on O-72 although it will be run on my O-90 loop most times.

The N&W Jawn is my number one loco I still want. Got most of the other covered.....but Jawn is still on my list. THe 3rd Rail unit looks fantastic.......

I was really hoping for a plastic model like MTH did with the C&O turbine. Cash is just a little to thin to plop down $1800.00. Not that I don't want one, I do, but I think the IRS and the State of Virginia are in line first.

Scott Smith

Should say John Deere on the side, looks like a harvester or something.

My Dad was on the 2300 project from 1954 to 1957. If I were limited to only one engine, this is it! Counting the days until Trainstock 6. Lord willing, Jawn Henry will be pulling a long string of coal in NJ!

Gilly

No way of knowing if the speeds will match up until we test it, but imagine double-headed A/Y6b with the TE-1 in pusher duty bringing up the rear.

This is quoted from the up date Scott sent reservation holders. 

"Rarely does a sample model impress us as much as the Jawn Henry. Even more impressive is seeing it run flawlessly on 072 3 Rail track. But it doesn't stop there. With 2 Pittman Motors, this model has very smooth and quiet running qualities."

If you noticed there are only 70 3-rail versions and 50 2-rail made, so 120 total.

OMG  Was holding off, but ... but ... I may make a call ASAP. Oh brother

That looks sweet, and I'm a Loco Head.

SAM

hello guys and gals...........

Is this engine's 4 six wheel trucks powered ? if so i think it can out pull the die-cast big boy !!

the woman who loves the S.F.5011,623

Tiffany

I agree, I'm IN if there's a Dynamometer car. It was destroyed by the 2300. As for the coal bunker, as delivered it had doors. The model has the extended bunker that was added by the N&W during the trials. I really don't know if the extended bunker had doors. Lost Dad in 2006 and I have no one to ask .

Gilly

The Link to the pics is:

http://www.3rdrail.com/reservation.html#TE1

The link to the factory 072 Track Test Video:

http://youtu.be/2TUFxL1QlIo

There are 10 Powered Axles out of 12 in 3 Rail. We needed some place to put pickup rollers and the individual gearboxes were in the way. 2 Rail Models have 12 out of 12 Axles Powered. All Drivers are Sprung. All wheels on the tender are sprung. The Auxiliary Water Tender has the ERR EX Mini Commander Board, so you can control the lights and couplers with TMCC.

The two Pittman motors are 8000 series. Very smooth and quiet. Lots of torque.

There are 4 Axles with Rubber Tires. If your grandson needs his baby teeth pulled, here is something to tie the string to. 

The sample actually ran around our 054 Atlas curve with ease. I don't think it can do a 054 turnout, but it does work on our 072 turn out. Of the 70 3 Rails, 63 are reserved.

It's a very unique model and we were all excited and amazed watching it pull cars around our test layout.

I am so proud of the factory for pulling this one off so well. I am carrying this to York so you can see us in the Orange Hall. Row DD01, April 18-20.

Cheers,

Scott Mann

quote:

 Lost Dad in 2006 and I have no one to ask  

Ask Louis Newton, author of "Rails Remembered Vol. 4 The Tale of a Turbine". He's still alive.

This one looks to be a winner for all you Jawn Henry fans. I wish I had a use for one. Only seven left, hmmmm, better reserve one while you can.  

I ordered mine last year.  Subsequently, had a blow out in my sprinkler system.  As those bills rolled in, I thought, "There goes my Jawn Henry money."  Head hung low.  But, seeing those pictures brings the excitement back and then some.  Scott - it looks insane!  Thanks!

Scott Mann, in hopes that you will be back reading posts to this thread.

Thanks so much for pursuing this project.  For years I had requested (almost begged) MTH for a Jawn Henry with some apparent interest.  I presumed that since they made other large unusual engines coupled with Mike Wolf's once statement something to the affect he intended to replicate every engine in O-Gauge it was a sure thing in time.  But it been a lone time.

I should have then thought that brass would be the way to go since it is essentially hand made.  And for a PRICE almost anything was possible in smaller quantities.  Where as the cost of tooling for die cast or plastic would require hundreds to be produced to even break even.

Scott by chance do you have pictures and/or drawings of the drives that you can/will share.  I am really interested on how you achieve this.  Since I was a design engineer before going into Quality management I have pondered how to do this drive mechanism.

As john Korling stated, I think the C&O M-1 is longer but it is a piece of cake design wise compared to the TE-1.  The M-1 has only two separate separated power trucks that pivot off the frame.  A china drive at/through the pivot point gets it.  The TE-1 on the other hand has two SETs of pivoting power trucks that pivot from a sub-frame that pivots from the main frame. Had thought about a china drive at sub-frame pivot point and then through gears, drive shafts, chains, etc. power the two attached pivoting trucks.

Scott so please how is it done?  Or do I have to wait for my Jawn Henry to arrive so I can pop the hood?

Ron

I never knew there was any other kind of 'jawn' besides philly slang!  Cool looking engine, that's for sure.

nick

Very interesting to see the video linked above.  I wonder where 3rd Rail got the turbine sounds from? These are TMCC controlled engines but I have noticed that in recent models 3rd Rail have improved the soundsets beyond generic RS4.

But the other thing is that the tenders have headlights as well as reverse lights, and the former seem to stay on when the set is running in reverse. Is that prototypical? The main tender is beautifully detailed and as far as I can see is very much "as built" in configuration. 

Scott, thanks for posting the video - that is one fascinating beast!

A quick note about sounds. We are licensed by Lionel to use only OEM sound sets provided by Lionel.

Recently we have changed over to the RSL2 consolidated sound board. There are updated sounds and improved cab chatter. We are not allowed to modify sounds that are provided to us.

We have yet to release any model with this new sound board. It will debut in the C&NW H-1.

BUT... in the case of the Turbine Sounds in the Jawn Henry, we have added a second sound board, not connected to TMCC. It is driven by motor voltage. Actually the Steam turbine sound is mostly a constant roar, with only a small variation in pitch due to motor voltage.

We hope you enjoy this.

Regards,

Scott Mann

The Sunset Jawn Henry (as communicated to me from Scott Mann) has 2 pittman 8000 motors with a belt drive that connects to the inner trucks beside the firebox and an articulated connection transmits this power to the end trucks.  This is probably similar to the drive of the scratchbuilt Jawn Henry talked about in O-Scale Trains magazine several years ago.  This to me is the best way to go, since the scratchbuilt one I have uses China drives from a Weaver Alco C-628 and because of the front nose, only the rear trucks are powered.  The flywheels for the forward motors would probably get in the way of the nose on the front of the engine.  I ordered a 2-rail version so I wouldn't have to deal with traction tires.

Not that I don't want one, I do, but I think the IRS and the State of Virginia are in line first.

Perhaps a bank will rent you the $1800...

Go to the 2:24 mark to hear Jawn in action.

To Gilly@N&W

     Please till me about the 2300 destroying a dynamometer car.  I read somewhere awhile back that it telescoped a steel caboose.  Is there any literature about the destruction of the dynamometer car by the 2300?

Before this tale gets way out of hand, the truth is it was a caboose and the engineer came in to couple up way too fast and couldn't stop...squish. Nothing more, nothing less. Read "Rails Remembered Vol.4 Tale of a Turbine".

During 3rd Rail's grandstand speech they had a Jawn and said it runs on O-54 track!!!! Hate to see the overhang on that!!! I still want one....but unless I win the lottery........

A rather nimble engine for such a giant. Watching that test video it ran through the switches and curves with ease. 

I too thought (assumed, and we all know what that means) that the C&O M-1 was longer.

In preparation of receiving my 3rd Rail Jawn Henry I pulled my copy of "Rails Remembered  Volume 4 The Tale of a Turbine" out.  According to info printed therein The M-1 had an engine length of 90' 7" and overall length (engine and water car) of 140' 3 3/4".  On the other hand the Jawn Henry TE-1 had an engine length of 111' 7 1/2" and overall length of 161' 1 1/2".  So that will be a model length of engine w/water car of about 40-inches, almost 28-inches for engine it self.  That is about 4/5-inches longer then a single Centipede unit.

I just received my "Pickup Notice."  The production will be arriving in June!

So it looks like Christmas in June.

As are Mr Moore and Tanner and they are men that would remember me. That said, I would never bother them about something so trivial as doors on the extended bunker.

Mr Newton made copious notes and wrote an outstanding series of books. That said, he was not the sole Motive Power Department rider assigned to the 2300. While incredibly informative, his book does not reflect every event associated with the 2300. If Dad kept a journal, we haven't located it. All I have from the 2300 is a set of manuals, the roll-around tool box and distant memories of what Dad told me about this locomotive years ago.

I've heard the caboose vs tank car story too and the version in the book is what I recall hearing. As for the Dynamometer car, if my memory is correct it had something to do with mechanical damage to the draw bar.

Got mine too and just got off of PayPal.

Scott Smith, if it would be possible I would be pleased to be able to bring this to Roanoke to run on the museum layout. My email address is on my profile. We can talk offline there.

Gilly

I just got a message from Scott Mann that 2 of the 12 axles on the 2-rail version are not powered because there had to be room made for the pulley system.  The 3-rail version has 8 out of 12 axles powered. The model will have interior cab detail with lights and a lighted doghouse with a figure inside.  This will be spectacular!!!

I just talked to Scott Mann and the Jawn Henry will weigh around 12 pounds-engine alone, and 3 pounds for each of the tenders.  Get your bridges reinforced for the weight!

Scott Mann has posted a new video of the model running on a great Bay Area layout. It's on YouTube here:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v...26feature%3Dyoutu.be

Fine sounds and smoke are in evidence!

Also, Scott will be heading out to the factory for Jawn Henry production run inspection.

That is ridiculously spectacular.  It's always been a top favorite as I really love all the crazy, "experimental" or one off engines.  Looking forward to it in a big way.  

Scott, granted I haven't seen one in the flesh, but it looks like an instant classic.  It wouldn't surprise me if other builders follow suit...
 

I saw the video.  Fantastic!  Can't wait to get mine, although in 2-rail.  I will put this 12 pound beast pushing a train with the Sunset Y6b on the front, going up a 1-2% grade.  I hope the rear cars don't derail, it may not work.

how did the engineer and fireman ever see anything forward???