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I like to switch and set out cars along the way, I use a number of different Lionel style uncoupler magnets, both O and O27. The first MTH geep I bought was a PS1 back in 1998, 20-2174-1. This unit worked great and is still a favorite of mine. Through the years I have acquired a number of MTH geeps, they are not all the same. Some roll and switch well and some hang up on the uncoupler magnets. This has always been a pain to me. I have filed down some of the O magnets which helped. I have used a press to push the O27 magnet less than a sixteenth of an inch to lower it to track height, that helps too. The thing about MTH pick up rollers on its geeps is they are always changing.

 

Today, I looked at all the rollers on the units. I am sure the MTH engineers thought this or that was better, but only one style stands out, the 2 roller small diameter pickup roller. It does not stall on the magnets and it has better electrical pickup, (4 rollers per unit.)

 

Here’s what I found by year.

1998, PS-1, GP9 20-2174-1  it has Two large rollers with a small insulated mounting pad, Works great, allows the roller to compress way up inside the truck block, almost flush. I have never had a shorting problem with this setup! 

 

2003, PS-2, GP7 30-2353-1 has Four small rollers with a full insulated pad. Works great.

 

2005, PS-2, GP9 30-2638-1 has Two large rollers on a full insulated pad. It sucks, the roller can only compress into the truck block up to the insulated pad, not quite far enough as it stalls on magnets. 

 

2006, PS-2, GP20 30-2686-1 has Four large rollers, full insulated pad, it sucks, the large rollers will not compress enough inside the truck block before snagging on the magnets.

 

2011 PS3, GP9 20-20060-1 has Four small rollers on a full pad, works great.

 

After looking at them, I decided to tinker with them. It turns out that they are all interchangeable! The unit with the small 2 roller pickup always rolled smoothly. What I hope to do is see if I can order some of the pickups with the two small rollers and I think that will solve my switching problems. Then I can use any of the units on the local.

 

You can see in the photos the different styles and the different size of rollers. Big rollers are bad, multiple rollers are good.  It is amazing to see that 1/16 of an inch can really cause issues. (Probably less than that)

 

Picture 02 , top to bottom, 1998 large 1 roller, small pad, 2005 large 1 roller large pad, 2011 small 2 roller

 

Picture 08, shows the 2005 large 1 roller, large insulated pad, the pad is too thick and prevent roller from compressing into the truck block.

The botttom is the 1998 large 1 roller with small pad, it allows the roller to compress just a bit more with no problems.

 

Picture 10, shows the 2011 small 2 roller pickup and pad, nice!

 

Picture 13, shows the 2011 small 2 roller pickup on top, the 2006, large 2 roller pickup on bottom, You can see the difference in diameterand I think the 2011 is a tad wider. Those large rollers will not compress enough and hang up on the magnets.  

Dan

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Success!  After talking to Midge at MTH about the rollers size I wanted to order, I placed an order for BD0000097 roller pickups. These are the small diameter, double rollers. I also ordered a couple of BD0000094 mounting pads, just in case I needed to replace what was under the trucks.  (that a picture of them in the second photo from the bottom.)

 

After replacing the a pair of large double rollers sets, and  a pair of the large single roller sets, all my diesels now roll over all the various Lionel uncoupler magnets without bumping or stalling. I have one Super O magnet where there is a slight bump, but it may just be the alignment into the magnet.

 

I wish they would use this style roller set on all the engines. MTH must have 4 or 5 different type rollers they have used over the years. 

 

In the second photo from the top, the large mounting pad can be cut to look like the short(factory) mounting pad below it. That will allow the roller to compress just a little bit farther and operate properly over the magnets.

 

Anyway, I am happy.

 

Dan

Originally Posted by Diesel Dan:

Success!  After talking to Midge at MTH about the rollers size I wanted to order, I placed an order for BD0000097 roller pickups. These are the small diameter, double rollers. I also ordered a couple of BD0000094 mounting pads, just in case I needed to replace what was under the trucks.  (that a picture of them in the second photo from the bottom.)

 

After replacing the a pair of large double rollers sets, and  a pair of the large single roller sets, all my diesels now roll over all the various Lionel uncoupler magnets without bumping or stalling. I have one Super O magnet where there is a slight bump, but it may just be the alignment into the magnet.

 

I wish they would use this style roller set on all the engines. MTH must have 4 or 5 different type rollers they have used over the years. 

 

In the second photo from the top, the large mounting pad can be cut to look like the short(factory) mounting pad below it. That will allow the roller to compress just a little bit farther and operate properly over the magnets.

 

Anyway, I am happy.

 

Dan

What mounting screws are used? One of my Scale-wheeled GP35's didn't come with the pickup rollers.

This is a really great post Dan. The kind you copy and save to a Word document and file for future reference. Took me a little while to figure out but apparently the uncoupling track sections you use push the rollers up which can ground on the truck body and cause a short. Ugh. Like you, I enjoy switching and uncoupling cars but run on Atlas track. Their uncoupling magnet section has its own "personality" but doesn't push the rollers up much. I switched to the small diameter dual pickups after finding them by accident on a starter set F3 I got on ebay. The engine was a poor runner so it was just sitting. At the same time I had a PS2 Switcher that was balking here and there. I was really pleased to find that dual PUs and insulator boxes swapped over perfectly. The rest is history and I have these rollers on all of my MTH diesels.

Was surprised to see how easily you tracked down and purchased the 094 insulator boxes. You sure as heck won't find them for sale outside of MTH. Did you just call MTH parts and ask for the famous Midge directly?

 

Thanks, Scott

Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:

Another bonus is it'll probably help with any issues over switches having more rollers.

 

John,

My engines can't go more than a foot or two without rolling over a switch. Single pickup performance was typically good but occaisionally engines would have trouble over switches. The DPUs solve that. Depending on what track you run you will of course hear the rollers a little more. I run Atlas on cork so it's noticeable. But I find the added "clickety click" quite pleasant as the engines roll over the switches.

Scott

Originally Posted by Scott T Johnson:
Originally Posted by AGHRMatt:
 

What mounting screws are used? One of my Scale-wheeled GP35's didn't come with the pickup rollers.

Matt,

Did you find what you were looking for here? Is it the silver screw that anchors the roller and insulator box to the engine truck?

S

I was looking for a size reference or part number for the screws. It didn't come with those either.

Matt,

See the images below. The exploded view is from an MTH calf unit I found on line. Not a unit I have but none of mine have parts lists you can access. Given that the rollers and insulator boxes are clearly identical to units I do have I would expect the screws to be the same as well.

S

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