3RD RAIL FT DIESELS HIT THE TEST TRACK

Wow, GM Trains of Tomorrow coming early?

 

Scott, any guesses on delivery date for the GM Train of Tomorrow?

 

Thanks,

 

Jim

Scott, the picture makes it look like the red has a pinkish tint to it. I'm REALLY hoping its a true bright red and not a pink or maroon tone as it looks in the picture.

Scott the FT set is STUNNING!

Wow

All you need to do is chrome trim ring around the headlight!

It's just fantastic. I'm sick that I didn't order a set.

Tough red to make the atsf guys happy. It looks pretty close. Impossible to tell from our monitors and a digital capture.

The photo I took of my E's is as close as it gets to the atsf warbonnet red of the 40's.




       
       



(C) Gary Schrader

(C) Erik C Lindgren

Wow Scott they are so nice.

The camera and lighting are throwing the colors off. Here is a dim lit picture.
Shows the color more like it is to the eye. Silver trim is one of the corrections in process.

 

 

 

That is the red it should be.

We will be working on the Red Color. Thanks for the heads up. After bringing our model out into the sun, the colors change. Seems to match much better to a picture taken with flash photography.

 

Scott

There should be a silver ring around the lower headlight in the final version.

Thumbs Up!!!




       

Thanks all of you for the beautiful photos here...

Your welcome C Sam! And they are ALL beautiful!

Scott Posted:

 

The camera and lighting are throwing the colors off. Here is a dim lit picture.
Shows the color more like it is to the eye. Silver trim is one of the corrections in process.

 

 

 

 

As far as the RED, That is more like it.  

 

 

Also I think (again not 100% sure) that the yellow from the headlight to the front windows does not end with a 90 degree angle, but follows the angle of the windows. 

 

You can see an example of what I am talking about on  the hood of this PA.

 

Also note thr FT's in the background.  The RED War Bonnet paint covers the first screen and part of the second near the top of the locomotive.  On your sample they are Silver.

 

 

You first picture shows it correctly.  Both are #163.  Is one picture reflecting?

 

 

That's a much better comparison with natural light (no flash). Nice bright, vibrant red color.

Scott, thanks for the update.

 

What is really pleasing to me as the Train of Tomorrow is next on the agenda. This is a first in O-Gauge and those of us who specialize in passenger trains really appreciate the opportunity to have this set on our layouts.

 

Many thanks for doing this set.

For sure! Agreed

Thanks Scott keep up the great work.


       

I missed this post as the red was being discussed.  Erik probably has more experience photographing than I do, but I do know, as dose anyone that does photography, lighting is critical.  

 

I assumed Scott's pictures were shaded by florescent lights, hence the bluish tint.

 

Erik's Key E unit photos appear a bit off (more vibrant/saturated) then they appear to the naked eye.  

 

The most off is probably the photo of the prototype.  If you are not an experienced photographer I can't argue that point with you.  But I will say that analog photos had so many variables that they only make for a good but not true representation.

 

I have Santa Fe red noses from a lot of manufacturers.  They never match between manufacturers.  They seldom match over the years from a single manufacturer.

 

All that said, my monitor may be the problem.  If you would take all of our monitors and place them side by side, they would all show different reds.  (Unless they were color corrected using professional software and probably Erik would be the only one with that type monitor.)

 

BTW Erik, I just noticed your baby!  Congratulations!!!

 

Scott, if you still have a relationship with Gary Schrader, he would be the guy to ask.

 

I have 100's of photos of red noses both scale and model.

 

 

I think this is one of the best I have., When I copied it, there wasn't a copyright.

  

 

GM always stayed truer to Leland Knickerbocker's original vision than GE or Alco or FM.

 

I was impressed Jonathan got the black stripes on the top like on the E units correct.  I would have missed that.  There are very few photos where they are visible at all on FTs.  And they disappeared from the F3s on as shown above.

This should be interesting.  These are the first 2-rail diesels that use a single decoder to control the motors in both the A and the B and have stereo sound, one channel in the A and one in the B.

Just a couple of paint details Scott:

 

 

The red grills in this picture are correct.

The grab irons on the nose should be yellow.

The full length handrails on the sides for the cab doors should be red.

 

Will those of us that ordered an ABBA set, get a numbered set accordingly?

ie: 163L, A, B, C 

 

and don't forget some extra 2 rail pilots for us 3 rail guys who want fixed pilots and those body mounted side ladders  

Ok guys if you are going to nitpick let's pull our data from color reference of the prototype.

Both photos are copyright (c) E.T. Harley, C.H. Kerrigan courtesy Morning Sun Books collection. All rights are reserved. USED ONLY FOR REFERENCE IN RESEARCH

I wasn't nit picking, simply pointing out some details from the prototype which these are modeled after. It's a lot easier to do it during production rather than after the fact, not that Scott has to do any of the suggestions any of us offer. The things I pointed out are always taken from reference photos even though I don't post them.

That's the plan.

 

For ATSF, Name 1 will be number 1 LA and Name 2 will be number 1 BC.  Name 3 will be number 2 LA and Name 4 will be number 2 BC.  Jonathan worked hard to get the correct numbering appropriate for each road.  I don't think any 2 roads are the same.

Hey Laid Off it's all good buddy. Not saying you in particular are nit picking; Dave Devita always had to reign me in.. HO-there Tex he would say.

These models are absolutely wonderful even if they end with some errors that I suspect any modeller could fix if he she chose too.

Richard, was it Jonathan that did the paint schematics?

We all need to stand and give him a round of applause for an excellent job!

No worries Erik,  I don't want Scott to think I'm bustin his *****. I just thought if we pointed these minor things out before full production, it would be easier to correct then.

 

I have no problems making a few minor paint corrections, especially if Scott could supply very small bottles of "touch up" paint so the colors matched     

 

I also noticed that silver trim around the headlights 1st thing, but have no idea how Scott could duplicate that without added expense in casting parts. A beer or 2 will create a steady handy for me to paint those on myself.

 

I assure you, I'm glad I'm NOT on that "Not gonna get one" list. I put my reservation in right away when these were announced. 

One thing I've noticed is that each new diesel offering from Sunset/3rdrail is getting better and better. Accuracy and level of detail goes up and I understand performance and reliability improves as well. Hard to believe it's only been a few years since their 1st diesel offering hit the shelves. Once again, Sunset/3rdrail saw a need and filled it.

 

I am so happy to leave the China drives behind. I ordered several of the new F-7's and will gut my Atlas and 2R converted Lionel scale F-3's and use them as dummies. 

 

Great job Scott and team!

 

Butch

Jonathan that did the paint schematics
We all need to stand and give him a round of applause for an excellent job!

 

He did a fantastic job and as Richard points out:

I was impressed Jonathan got the black stripes on the top like on the E units correct.  I would have missed that.  There are very few photos where they are visible at all on FTs.  And they disappeared from the F3s on as shown above.

Good point and adds to the interest.   

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I am so happy to leave the China drives behind. I ordered several of the new F-7's and will gut my Atlas and 2R converted Lionel scale F-3's and use them as dummies. 

Butch thanks for posting that.  I had been thinking Atlas, but that solves a big problem that will help my move to 2 rail.  

Happy to see this market is working out well for Scott,hopefuly down the road this will lead to newer Diesel power being produced. I for one would be in for SD 60,70,75s and GE-9s and Evos,as I stated in an earlier post I believe anything new in the future [?] from Atlas will only be in the Tman line[motive power]JMO

I would definitely be in for a GP40/GP40-2 and an SD40/SD40-2 if any were ever produced.

Scott those are stunning looking and the other models others posted.

I have a set of the Lionel F 7 or 9 forget they are great looking and sound good.

 

Just wondering Scott.

I have your 3rd rail CP F units for the Canadian Set and the speaker rattles so bad with the diesel sounds that I cannot use the sound. Just the whiste.

 

Why is this and how is the sound on the new Santa Fe units??

Did you guys notice the grab irons? PSC/P&D style 1/48 scale accurate brass with the bolt detail. Scott what a WONDERFUL thing you have accomplished for us.

They are so fabulous!

Now that right there is BAD ***

 

I must say I did not see this detail in any picture that Scott has posted.  Please direct me to that photo.   

Jim, it's in this thread:? re 3rd Rail ATSF FTs

This arrangement is characteristic of CB&Q "front nose" treatment. The CB&Q "E" units had the same arrangement, all added AFTER the units were delivered. All those extra grab irons and toe piece, down at the bottom, really add that extra touch.

Super looking detail. These should be stunning diesels.

Scott's original post says late September or October of this year, which is well before I expected to see this set!