3rd Rail smoke

Personally, I don't use smoke as it screws up the weathering, and messes up the scenery. Thus, I could care less if ANY steam locomotive model in my entire roster ever smokes!

Same as HW, I pulled the smoke unit out of my E7 before I fired it up.  None of my other engines are smokers anymore either.  Just another thing to go wrong.

man hotwater if you used automotive paints on your train ,you wont have that problem....as for not using smoke units..are you guys a bunch of sissies?..We all complained about we want our trains to be relistic..that mean great sound systems and smoke units..ironlake2,..bet you have a sluth smoke generator..non fan driven....id took that out of my 3rd rail PRR Q2..put in a mth fan driven unit id moditfied..

Now just why would I WANT to be "used to automotive paints"??

As I stated above, those darned smoke units mess up the weathering on the steam locomotive model, and also mess up the scenery!

automotive paint take alot of abuse and very durable...my nitro & gas fuels do affect it...epoxy paints is the same way...that one good reason why I use automotive paints on my trains and rc race boats..when your painting cars for 33+ years,you know what works and dont work..

What does all that have to do with 3-Rail SCALE modeling?

because Nitro is the hotest fuel on the market..=meaning it will peal cheap paint off asap..That smoke fluid is a super wuss compaired to those fuels /chemicals Id listed..Those hobbie base paint are wussy paints..all prone to hurt easly even do to a light scratch..it you want a stong paint that can take chemicals spills accept acid..automotive and epoxy paint is the winner..been running my trains for 2 years with my smoke units running full blast and still hasnt hurt my paint on my trains..

You are STILL totally missing the point, man!!!  I'm NOT talking about paint removal. I'm talking about that crap smoke fluid "fall-out", which is really oil vapor, and the effect it has on weathered models, as well as the "fall-out" all over the model railroad scenery.

You don't have an actual layout at home, thus you have no idea what all that smoke fluid "fall-out" does to everything.

Ironlake,

As i mentioned in  the other post i recently just did 3 of them in 3rd rail engines.They measured 15 ohm

If you could - you can start by verifying that they are Tas units first.  There are many people on here that will help once you tell us what is actually in them.

Hot water --without biting my head off , id like to make a comment about it- i know you dont like smoke-but if you use powders on the front section of the engine  to weather then yes it will get ruined by the fluid however i use Celetex in an air brush which is safe to breath for weathering.. the fluid does not effect it...

Another trick is to seal the inside of the boiler so the fluid dosnt weep out of the stantions..

Ironlake if you can maybe take some pics of the engines you are attempting to upgrade the smoke and the unit that is in them many people here can help... And many comments have been made about the Tas unit not being  available -which is untrue.

I don't know what you mean by "the fluid does not effect it…", but the "fall-out" of the oil vapor surely does effect the visual effect of weathering, especially when one "spills" smoke fluid all over the smokebox while dropping the fluid down the stack. 

When powders are used the fluid makes a wet look like spilling water on a dry surface and i ve also seen it wick through the boiler via the stanchions onto the powder and make wet circles around each stanchion.   If it is sprayed with the celetex acrylic the fluid  will not "Shiny puddle" when contacting it.

Ive seen some of your weathered engines they are very nice.. I dont blame you for not wanting to ruin them.. But if you like them powdered and you want to use smoke then seal the inside of the boiler and dont powder the front 1/4 of the boiler-- only use celetex toward the front  of the engine..

If somebody spilling smoke fluid over the smoke box or boiler...needs a steady hands or glasses..or best yet take out the smoke unit and never have to worry about it ever again..patrick id posted 3 different smoke units TAS made..what version you have? I might know how to get your to blow like mine...heres a video of my TAS smoke id moded..

......... Maybe you can explain what you did.(and how many hours/minutes LOL it lasted) But first it would be nice to see what engine it is ..and whats in it..I have a couple of the ones shown sitting on the spool...

Patrick its not in a engine just yet...its going in my 3rd rail PRR S1 unskirted duplex and got a TAS EOB system to install..so this S! will be all TAS setup...First thing you can do is to knock off that cermic coating off that heat resistor..If you cant get it off..replace it with a lionel 27ohm heat resistor..that what I did..TAS reconmends using lionels 27ohm   heat resistor if the TAS burns out..I might try out a 22 ohm..that what some of the guys are putting in there lionels 27ohm smoke units to make them smoke like mad..like Id said TAS made 3 different  models of smoke units..18x11 layout have to refull about 9or10 laps around the layout..thats with my moded mth smoke units..

I rarely run mine with smoke on as it really bothers my wife.

The times I have run them with smoke on, they smoked so well it REALLY BOTHERED my wife.  :-)

Here's a 3rdrail engine with a MTH smoke unit controlled by a EOB motherboard.

which mth smoke unit is in it...there proto1 ?? If So... I have a complete EOB system that im planning to install in my 3rd rail unskirted duplex...if id used megasteam in my mod mth or my other smoke units the neighbors would call the fire dept on my for possible apartment fire..lol,,still might try it and see how long it last before refills..here my 3rd rail S2 turbine with my mod mth smoke unit in it..never seen a S2 turbine smoke like this..Ps that mth smoke scented smoke fluid im running in it.

Whew! Josey, in your video with the PRR steamer on the floor that poor engineer and fireman surely must have busted their noses with that reward takeoff....

Zero to 60 in what...  Mach 3?   Ouch!

It's a generic smoke unit I purchased from MTH at a York show over ten years ago.  You can't get these TAS EOB mother boards with this version of firmware anymore(haven't been produced in ten or so years), unless you can find a real  old used one someone is selling.

lol...tell you what//if steamers could really do that ,they would still be in business today..superwarp1.sound like you have a proto1 smoke unit...might try that out in my S1 when I put in my EOB system..see which one smokes the most..my mod mth or my mod TAS turbo smoke unit..heres my EOB.just sat it on my S1 tender frame to see how to set it up...

just get a mth unit and copy it, they smoke great.  All ta stuff is junk.

TAS stuff isnt bad...The smoke units needs alittle tweeks...As for coping MTH smoke units.?? Dont they want a copywright infringement law suit from MTH..