Overland made an non-streamlined J. They closed them out snd you could get them for $1500 instead of the list price of around $2400. They show up on eBay every so often.
I would love to see the Baby Trainmasters like VGN used.
FMs have been discussed a couple of times in the past. They just never get much interest.
The baby train masters have never been done and the Trainmasters done by CLW are like hens teeth to find.
Alco HH660
@VGN64 posted:The baby train masters have never been done and the Trainmasters done by CLW are like hens teeth to find.
I thought Lionel made some every now and then?
1) scale McKeen car with pull-along trailer (maybe)
2) M-10005 City of Denver
3) See #1 and #2
@carnerd3000 posted:I thought Lionel made some every now and then?
You are getting confused with the H-15-44's. Those locomotives ARE NOT baby Trainmasters.
A baby Trainmaster looks like a Trainmaster but shorter in length.
My wish list:
Steam:
Western Maryland 4-8-4 Potomac
Diesels:
1. GE C39-8 Conrail (humpbacks!)
2. GE U33C Conrail
3. GE U25C PRR or Conrail
4. GE U28C PRR or Conrail
5. GE U23B Conrail
Virginian had the six axle Trainmasters and 4 axle Baby Trainmasters.
I only want one thing: ALCO 4-8-4 Class Q4, DL&W "Pocono"
There were very few made for O-gauge and they are rare as hens teeth to find on the second-hand market.
Bryce
I think it's about time they do Cotton Belt 819.
I know it's a pipe dream, but another run of their awesome Santa Fe 3700-class 2-8-4s and 3800-class 2-10-2s. I wasn't really in the hobby then, and buying 3rd Rail products on eBay is a very hit or miss proposition. Would buy two road numbers of each, at least.
Another vote for the NYC Dreyfuss Hudson with matching, accurate cars from GGD.
@VGN64 posted:Virginian had the six axle Trainmasters and 4 axle Baby Trainmasters.
A so-called "baby" Train Master (a term coined by railfans, not FM) is a shortened version of the Train Master with six-wheel trucks.
The "baby" Train Master is an H16-66, vs the Train Master H24-66. The 66 indicating 6 wheel trucks. The four axle H16-44's Virginian had are not "baby" Train Masters, although the later carbody was similar. Virginian also had H16-44's with the earlier body style with the low platform on the long hood end.
Rusty
@rdunniii posted:FMs have been discussed a couple of times in the past. They just never get much interest.
Yah I know. Disappointing. I just keep hoping attitudes can change. They Haven’t Been Done lately. There are 7 roads that initially bought them - and if I recall, (though I may have this wrong) a Canadian road bought some second hand. NYC, Pennsylvania, SF, KCS, UP, Milwaukee, CNW. Big names all. Why no interest ????? Hard to believe !!!!! Give Scott a Shout-out via Email - about the FM Erie Builts !!!
Milwaukee had two paint versions- including one for the Olympian with a Bold nose variant. I’d be in for this variant if offered for sure. (I pass on the EP3 - “Quill”)
@rplst8 posted:My wish list:
Steam:
Western Maryland 4-8-4 PotomacDiesels:
1. GE C39-8 Conrail (humpbacks!)
2. GE U33C Conrail
3. GE U25C PRR or Conrail
4. GE U28C PRR or Conrail
5. GE U23B Conrail
Im no longer waiting for the U25C. Im "Rollin my Own" with mth E33/E44 trucks and frames along with WBB U33c/ Weaver U25B kitbash bodies.
I believe I've mentioned a N&W M-class and PRR P5a boxcab earlier in the thread.
I do have a new addition: PRR MP54. I mentioned this one in the Lionel 2021 V2 wishlist but who knows if Lionel will ever produce them again. Now, 3rd Rail has done both the MP54 as well as P54 coaches before, but I think it's been a long time since the MP54's. My only critic looking at pictures of the 3rd Rail MP54 is that they only painted the very top of the roof black where the entire roof should be black.
@Alec_6460 posted:I know it's a pipe dream, but another run of their awesome Santa Fe 3700-class 2-8-4s and 3800-class 2-10-2s. I wasn't really in the hobby then, and buying 3rd Rail products on eBay is a very hit or miss proposition. Would buy two road numbers of each, at least.
I assume the 3700-class re-run you seek is for a 4-8-2 wheel arrangement (Mountain).
OTOH, It would be my preference to have a first run of the 4101-class 2-8-4's (Berkshire), one of only two classes of that wheel arrangement on the Santa Fe. The other class, 4193, of which there were only 7 engines, were obtained from the Boston & Maine during wartime with those unusual visor-like Coffin feedwater heaters. FWIW, the 4101-class engines built by Baldwin were rather ho-hum in performance compared with the red-headed stepchildren, all built by Lima. However, it was too late to breathe second life into steam-thinking...diesels were the fast becoming the favorite sons and recipients of huge orders postwar.
Sunset 3rd Rail has already made a run of the Santa Fe 4193 class locomotive...as well as the B&M and SP versions. As lackluster as the 4101-class was in the greater scheme of power on the AT&SF, something different in an 8-drivered Whyte arrangement gets my vote. Not holding my breath, however. Scott tried to get enough reservations for an AT&SF 2-6-2, several classes and 238 engines of which roamed nearly every corner of that railroad throughout the first part of the last century. Sadlly, not enough interest, the reservations were terminated. Too bad, too.....would've been a great engine size for smaller layouts, sharper radii curves, etc., etc.. If a wheel arrangement used on 238 engines of a major railroad can't foster enough 1:48 interest, I doubt there's any future in modeling the 4101-class 2-8-4, of which there were a total of 15 engines. PFM, OTOH, made several runs of that engine in HO back in the 50's-60's.
Second runs on steam engines from 3rd Rail??? Has that ever been done? Can't recall any time it happened.
Keep watching the auctions.
KD
@rdunniii posted:FMs have been discussed a couple of times in the past. They just never get much interest.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, a FM H20-44 road switcher (with the Loewy features) would be on my very short buy list. These came out in 1947, three years earlier than the H12 or H16. While only 5 roads had them, three of the big ones did: UP, NYC, and PRR. Seems like there would be a market for them.
This may have already been posted, but if Scott was to do the Strasburg RR #90 - I bet he would get a most welcome response.
Paul
@prrhorseshoecurve posted:You are getting confused with the H-15-44's. Those locomotives ARE NOT baby Trainmasters.
A baby Trainmaster looks like a Trainmaster but shorter in length.
Thanks for the clarification; I always confused the 4-axle versions for Baby Trainmasters. More FM locomotives in general would be welcome!
Baby Trainmasters are 4 axle. Look at the VGN they had both Baby and Trainmasters. The basic difference is lower HP, less axles and shorter but they weren’t Lowery style 4 axle engines.
When are you folks going to realize that those FM units were Train Masters? The term "Trainmaster" was a management position on the railroads, back then.
I thought Baby Train Masters were FM H16-66. There was a H16-44, but that was a different engine.
Also, the H16-66 was not given a name by the company like the H24-66 Train Master was. Rail fans, because of its close resemblance to the Train Master, gave the H16-66 the nickname "Baby Trainmaster". So I guess you can write it either way.
So, to eliminate any confusion, I recommend they just make the H20-44.
Id take four H16-44s.
Two in VGN & two in Milwaukee Road
Id also take H20-44 in Weyerhaeuser or PTS #122
@Hot Water posted:When are you folks going to realize that those FM units were Train Masters? The term "Trainmaster" was a management position on the railroads, back then.
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@VGN64 posted:Baby Trainmasters are 4 axle.
No, they're not.
So-called railfan-named "baby" Train Masters were H16-66's and were nine feet shorter than the H24-66 Train Master, The -66 indicating 6 wheel trucks.
Only Milwaukee Road, C&NW, Squaw Creek Coal and Tennessee Valley Association rostered the H16-66.
Late model H16-44's were built with similar body to the Train Masters, but that didn't make them TM's, baby or otherwise.
The term "Baby Train Master" did not exist in FM documentation. Only the H24-66 bore the name Train Master.
This has been a Public service Announcement.
Rusty
Sorry if my comments offended anyone but here in the area of the VGN I grew up with them being called the Trainmasters-Train Masters (six axles and Baby Trainmasters-Baby Train Masters (four axles). I never saw FMs printed materials I just remember seeing the diesels painted N&W and photographing them in the stored/scrape line. Either way I would buy the six and four axles units made by Sunset.
Car Works made some of the four axles but never the VGN versions.
As I understand the evolution that led to the F-M Train Master, birthed with their entry 6 axle/6 motor road switcher, the H16-66, introduced in 1951. In 1953 the most powerful diesel locomotive was introduced as the H24-66 "Train Master". It was the hot rod of locomotives able to out accelerate any locomotive in its class. Seems like an icon locomotive any serious modeler would consider for their collection.
The VGN had two versions of the 6 axle Train Master. CLS did them but I missed them and have been looking for years but never see one.
Well the FP45 was just announced. Scott must have gotten lots of emails for it. Good follow on - fit with past passenger car offerings too. This should make the SF crowd happy - and others too of course. I get a pass on this offering and that gives my bank account a breather. But It also sound like Scott is firming up the Alco FA for 22. That’s Good for me in that it spreads out expenditures a bit later.
Cheers !!!
Once again I put forward the Diesel Hydraulics built by Alco for SP (C-643DH) and UP.*C-855). They are big, beefy brutes and have not been done in O gauge. Given these two popular road names I think they would sell well. I would take one of each.
Rolland
@RLaHaie posted:Once again I put forward the Diesel Hydraulics built by Alco for SP (C-643DH) and UP.*C-855). They are big, beefy brutes and have not been done in O gauge. Given these two popular road names I think they would sell well. I would take one of each.
Rolland
Have you checked with Sunset/3rd Rail? I seem to remember that Scott announced those models quite some time back. Then again, my memory isn't what it used to be.
Metroliners would be really cool. MTH offered them in one of their early catalogs, and cancelled the project. I think the Metroliners actually shared bodies with Amfleet Is, so there should be a base to work from after the Amfleets are delivered.
@TrainBub posted:I think it time to queue up a E5,6 Run#2. Offer up all the originals but add repaint later versions too. I’d be in for a MP in Jenks Blue. And an original MP would go wonderfully with an “Eagle” Consist.
(Perhaps this can be appended to the EA E1 offering to help reach aspired run numbers 😬)
Well - update time. Run 2 of the E5,6 is coming !!! Yay !!! Those that balked at getting a MP AB because there were no passenger cars will no longer have that excuse. 😬 (Very Few were done) The original paint schemes are a start but if you want later paint schemes, email Scott. Though the MP E6 must be done to match the EAGLE passenger set, I want to see a Jenks Blue offering too. IC snd RI have interesting later paint jobs too. Cheers.
Fwiw, I would like to see the Seaboard E4 AB that demoed at the NY Worlds Fair with all that red and stainless striping for this order.
@prrhorseshoecurve posted:Fwiw, I would like to see the Seaboard E4 AB that demoed at the NY Worlds Fair with all that red and stainless striping for this order.
Umm, weren't those done?
I would love if they did the FP-7 again.
Rock Island 4-8-4. One of the most handsome ever built. Request #274 !!
@rdunniii posted:Umm, weren't those done?
I think the OP is referring to the lone E3 that Seaboard purchased that spent it's first almost year at the world's fair in silver paint with fine red stripes. It went back to EMD and was upgraded to an E6 and came back in the scheme that was done for the balance of the world's fair.
