700e hudson parts

There are two PW 773 variations. Basically delineated as the following:

The 1950 Production run has a fancier valve gear assembly and came with the premium 2426W tender.

The Fancy Valve Gear:

The 1964 production lacks the fancier valve gear and came with the PENNSYLVANIA 736W or NEW YORK CENTRAL 773W tender.

Lacking the valve gear:

The parts list shows 773-55 as the valve gear support for both the 1950 and 1964 versions... can you elaborate?

Thanks

I'm putting a together an lti version . trying to figure out what valve gear to get. Lionel Shows this.

But then there's this which is like the earlier type

If putting together an LIT version, you are not building a 773, but a 783, 784, or 785. These use some of the "same" and some different parts. Here is the correct parts list and exploded diagram for what you are seeking.

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...s/108606Complete.pdf

Thanks b.

It was listed as a 773.  Thanks for clearing that up.

It has the 773 type motor coupling. Lionel put a bone type in later. 

If it is newer and marked 773, it could be this:

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...da-8aed-11e12d169221

I notice through out the parts list this loco is described as a “metric” Hudson. That should jump out at you as you work with the screws and nuts. 

That I have from Lionel site. And I was using that. As an example.

The first picture I posted is from there.

Part no on package

6108005500

Then saids hudson#.5340 . I think it's a 3.

5340 would be a 700E remake: https://www.lionelsupport.com/...94-8d1d-48591eea334f

Still in the "scale hudson" family, but there are nuances between each.

You should really determine what it is you have (exact product number such as 6-18005) to ensure parts comparability (and re title the post accordingly as well)

Here's what's on the package

What Boiler are you attempting to mate that frame with? That frame belongs to the 6-18005 700E remake.  If all you have is that frame, you would probably be better off purchasing a complete locomotive vs sourcing all the parts to complete your 6-18005 700E remake.

You could buy the Vision 700E for less than all the separate parts will cost you to make a 5340 1990 700E.

Pete

Not sure on the boiler. 

Norton I'm starting to realize that.

If I had a 3d printer I would print a boiler

The 773 boiler won't work?.

Haha hopefully yours will turn out better than this one.

Whoa!.

I have tin plate boilers that I can mod better than that.

I thought the 6-18005 was now in bargain territory?  Surely used Hudson’s are not competing with the new Vision stuff?

I do know the B6 switcher has descended into ridiculous territory, some going for $160 or so.  I am done accumulating, but am sorely tempted!

The way this is going.  This is going to be a frank.n Hudson.

No electronics.  Smoke only.

Not sure I’d call 550-600 bucks “ bargain territory “ for the 18005, but I can promise the OP would well surpass that number trying to piece one together from just a bare block and wheels....the motor alone hovers in the 100 dollar neighborhood........Pat

I'll be somewhere in that range.

I have seen the 6-18005 go for as low as $300.

bob2 posted:

I have seen the 6-18005 go for as low as $300.

Thats about what I paid for mine, unrun with a case and nameplate.

Pete

How do you Hudson guys handle this?.

The drive screw is to tall. IT hits the rod.

Do you know where that eccentric came from? Doesn’t look like the OE part from 6-18005.....not all parts from the early 700E’s be it original or reproduction aftermarket parts are compatible with 18005....some are, some are not...I’ve had to machine down the heads on some replacement bolts, but never that much...that looks grossly out of whack......Pat

This is what the proper part looks like:

Also, it isn't apparent that the sleeve is installed:

Harmon that is what I'll probably end up doing.

B4. That is what is in there.. Sleeve is there. But the crank might not of got Countersunk right

The sleeve was on crank.

Thanks guys. 

I have a different part no. for the eccentric rod bolt according to the Lionel service publications from 1990....correct part no. is 610-8005-517.....now, Lionel may have superseded the old number with 610-8045-527, and they may have never bothered to check fitment. Also of note for the OP, not all 700E eccentrics are created equal, there are more than one eccentric bearing 700 prefixes....6-18005 calls for eccentric part # 690-700E-046, while Hudsons # 783,784, & 785 call for eccentric part # 700E-241........hope this helps.......Pat

Good point on the crank @riki. This image is not the exact crank you have, but is representative and displays the alignment pins that must properly seat in the wheel:

Those pins must rest in the depressions in this representative drive wheel:

@harmonyards, following the full thread, you would see it has been determined @riki is building off of a 6-18005 frame, thus the postwar and MPC service diagrams (that even I posted and suggested before narrowing down what was had), are may not necessairly applicable. We all should be working off of the 6-18005 as broken down here: https://www.lionelsupport.com/...94-8d1d-48591eea334f and here https://www.lionelsupport.com/...201-8005Complete.pdf

bmoran4 posted:

Good point on the crank @riki. This image is not the exact crank you have, but is representative and displays the alignment pins that must properly seat in the wheel:

Those pins must rest in the depressions in this representative drive wheel:

 

@harmonyards, following the full thread, you would see it has been determined @riki is building off of a 6-18005 frame, thus the postwar and 1990 service diagrams (that even I posted and suggested before narrowing down what was had), are not applicable. We all should be working off of the 6-18005 as broken down here: https://www.lionelsupport.com/...94-8d1d-48591eea334f

Clearly he’s working on on a 18005 chassis....the part no.s referenced are from the 1990 service publications. ( date of mfg.) as you and riki have possibly pointed out, this may be as simple as the eccentric not sitting in the slot properly. However, just because it’s on Lionel’s web site, doesn’t mean the parts are 100% accurate....there very well could be superseded part no’s since they don’t list the original 1990 eccentric bolt part no. by they’re own service publications.....surely you’ve run into this before.....therefore, if his eccentric crank is sitting in the slot, then he’s clearly got a parts incompatibility issue.....as I’ve said, not all 700E parts are created equally.....Pat

I checked my old modern era parts guide and come up with 610-8005-517 for the eccentric rod bolt for a 6-18005 Hudson. The new number may have superceded it, but it's not correct. Happens a lot in the automotive industry. New part is recommended as a replacement but doesn't fit the same as the old one.

I am curious as to what the difference is besides thread locker and camera angles?

Bolt length could be different. In the photo the -527 appears to have a larger bolt head than the -517 part.

bmoran4 posted:

I am curious as to what the difference is besides thread locker and camera angles?

That’s a good question, I think the one thing we can agree on, is the fact Lionel does some goofy stuff with their parts dept. ....or at least I hope we can agree on that....I’ve never trusted the breakdown on Lionel’s website for that engine because of the inconsistencies in the part numbers vs. the publication of when it was actually manufactured...I’m asking your opinion, do you think the part no. change is because of the locker addition?....seems silly, but possible??...no?.....Pat

Since the OP was asking about a 700E, I went and looked at a 1939 700E.  The correct fastener would be 700E-44C. I went and looked and found that some of my spare screws would be a problem. See photos below. I would have though the screw pictured above was the cross head guide screw, but I have no experience with the 18005.

The upper screw is from an unknown source, but clearly could be a problem.  The lower screw is a proper eccentric crank screw for the 700E.  Below that are Lionel drawings for the screw.  

Thanks all for the response... Yap. Jeff Kane has his own part number system for somethings.  So saying need this number. His is something else.

I think I have a 5c collet that can hold that bolt. I can shave it down a bit.

Taking down the head works.

Ps.

Jeff told me others have complained. Lionel.s reply was they wanted to keep the look. Instead of using a flathead screw.

So. It's something we have to modify to work.

riki posted:

Taking down the head works.

Ps.

Jeff told me others have complained. Lionel.s reply was they wanted to keep the look. Instead of using a flathead screw.

So. It's something we have to modify to work.

That’s cool, I’m glad you were able to come up with a remedy riki, .....I’m curious on how you did your part number referencing.........did you rely solely on Lionel support off the website, or original documents from the 90’ parts breakdown? How did you come up with part numbers piece by piece? .......the reason I ask, in the picture you posted of the bolt not being able to pass by the rod, the eccentric pictured has the rod riveted on. The OE 90’ model has a separate screw that attaches that rod on the small end of the eccentric. I’m sure the OE part is NLA, and it’s substituted with another part.....I’m guessing you got all your parts from Jeff?....what was the part no. for the eccentric that was sold to you? .....if you don’t mind me asking....these tidbits of information might help the next guy with a broken part from 18005....Pat

I was going off the diagram that b4 posted. At first Greenberg . 

Here is part list from jeff

But why a large head on bolt. When others are thin.

Wait till you see what color the boiler will be.

I think it will look sharp. But not original.

Still haven't figured out what smoke unit. The smoke lever is hard to find.

I can work up a cam with a switch. Like STD ga. Chugger . to work an MTH unit I have.

The original has the circuit board which I don't want.

I have rods voltage reg. To make up or. I have the Asian regulator. Forget what they are called.

”Still haven't figured out what smoke unit. The smoke lever is hard to find” 

how many do you want? ...😁......Pat

“ But why a large head on bolt. When others are thin.“

because you got a mix of reproduction parts ( made from an outside vendor) & a mix of LTI parts thrown in for good measures.....no harm no foul, you figured out how to get around that big headed bolt just fine....I’m glad you were able to come up with a rotating assembly now....Pat