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Originally Posted by Happy Pappy:

Jerry,

Yes, YOU TOO can beat a sniper 90% of the time. And I love doing it.

Beating a Sniper is EASY, you just have to be willing to PAY MORE than the sniper is willing to pay. You can put in a Ridiculously High bid seconds AFTER the auction OPENS, and beat the Sniper, you are just going to have to pay more than what the Sniper is willing to pay. Put in that $50,001 bid on the only Purple Lock on that Lionel ever made as soon as the auction opens, and when the Sniper Bids $50,000 with 3 seconds left in the auction, YOU will WIN IT!!!!!

 

 Is the ONLY Purple Lock on that Lionel EVER made really worth $50,001 to You? Did you REALLY WIN?

 

 There seem to be some that don't seem to either Understand Sniping, or take it Personally when getting Sniped. There is NO REASON to take getting Sniped Personal, it is simply an INTELLIGENT way to bid, without having the price Nickel and Dimed to death.

 

You don't even need any Sniper program, if you can be at your computer(or phone) at auction end.

 

 I forget which site it is, but there is/was? another auction site where Sniping was impossible, as the auction drew to a close, any bid would automatically reset the clock to 5 or 10 minutes left, any subsequent bid would again reset the count down clock, until there were no bids in the last 5-10 minutes. I like ebays method better, you KNOW EXACTLY WHEN the auction is going to END, put in your MAX bid before then(even if in the last 3 seconds) or don't complain, it is a simple concept that is Easy to understand.

 

Doug

Originally Posted by Terry Danks:

Several post in this thread have mentioned sniping in a tone that seem to imply it is somehow reprehensible behaviour. Also that people are annoyed that they "lose" an auction by only a few dollars.

This AFAIAC is a misunderstanding of the entire ebay bidding process. I offer the following to those that might benefit from a pimer on ebay bidding. Those that already understand how it works will find it pedantic but I can't be the only ebayer who only came to a solid understanding of the proxy bid system and sniping after quite so time. And after "losing" auctions by what seemed like trifling sums, frequently at the last instant.

 

There is nothing "unsporting" about snipe bidding. It is simply a fact of life. Anyone understanding how the proxy bidding system works on ebay is very likely to conclude that sniping is really the ONLY sensible way to bid in a time-limited auction like ebay. There is no "going . . . going . . . gone!" on ebay.

 

And the second highest bidder will always, by very definition, lose to the highest bidder by the minimum increment.

 

A reduction ad absurdam hypothetical example just to make a point crystal clear.

 

The bidding for a widget is at $100.

John really wants it but figures it is only worth about $150 to him. He goes all out though and bids $200. He really doesn't want to pay that much though.

 

Little does he know that another bidder unbeknownst to him has ALREADY scheduled a snipe for $500! The snipe is scheduled to be entered electronically 5 seconds before the auction ends. The snipe bidder really has no intent whatsoever to actually pay $500! He accepts however that it COULD happen. But it likely won't. He REALLY wants the item badly!He is actually willing to pay more than "what the item is worth." It's worth more to him, for whatever reason.

 

So what happens next. John has entered his maximum bid . . . $200. The bidding instantly goes to $105, the minimum increment being $5 at that level. John is happy. He is top bidder at $105 even though he is actually expecting to have to pay a little more as other bidders enter the fray.

 

But there are no more bidders . . . except for that sniper. Right up to 5 seconds before the auction closes, John looks like the winner with his bid of $105. He is so happy! But, at 5 seconds, the roof falls in on him! The snipe bid activates. Instantaneously the bids escalate. Even John's maximium bid of $200 is exceeded in just an instant. The bid goes to $205. The snipe is for a maximum of $500!

There is no time left for John to respond, even if he were willing to go to the next increment which would be $210. (It would be futile anyway, but poor John doesn't KNOW that!)

The sniper, with the $500 bid wins the item at $205. John is now very unhappy as he feels he only "lost" by $5! He in unaware that, to win against the sniper, he would have had to bid MORE than $500 to win!

 

It's an extreme example. I don't suggest it wise to ever enter a snipe bid with a maximum amount higher than you are willing to pay. It could be disasterous to do so.

 

It's how ebay works. Has always worked. If they wanted to change it to make sniping pointless, they could readily do so. They never have. It seems unlikely they ever will. People have complained about it for years to no avail.

 

Sniping isn't "wrong." It's just the most effective way bid on ebay. It puts a serious brake on incremental bidding which slowly drives the final price up. And it costs nothing. Sniping software is readily available . . . and it's free.

 

I have eyed a few ARR items myself. I spent a few year up there . . . and their paint scheme is really nice!But, so far, I have not entered any snipes on ARR items. So don't blame me! At least not yet.

 

Terry

 

 

I agree with Terry. I've been sniped in the past. It happens and it doesn't bother me. What I do is add 20% to whatever number is the highest amount I am willing to pay. In the above example if I were willing to pay $200 for an item I would bid $240 as close to the end of the auction as possible. If I still wind up losing, again as in the above example, then it certainly doesn't bother me as I never wanted to pay that much anyway. I just hate to lose buy a dollar or two As I usually feel that I would have paid the extra few bucks to win the item.

 

BTW, does this mean that my Alaska MTH F3 AA engines aren't worthless junk? 

Originally Posted by challenger3980:
Originally Posted by Happy Pappy:

Jerry,

Yes, YOU TOO can beat a sniper 90% of the time. And I love doing it.

Beating a Sniper is EASY. There seem to be some that don't seem to either Understand Sniping, or take it Personally when getting Sniped. There is NO REASON to take getting Sniped Personal, it is simply an INTELLIGENT way to bid, without having the price Nickel and Dimed to death.

Doug,

I never over-pay and win quite often. Since I specialize in vintage std & o-gauge parts the competition seems stiff. My New Years resolution was to win just those parts I need to complete my projects. The rest I sell to friends. 

sometimes there just seems to be no rhyme or reason on that auction site. I was chasing a 665/2065 (before we had to buy a new car), and I was looking for a fairly nice one, but keeping an eye out for a fixer upper that I'd really was after. One had a few small parts missing, no tender (which was fine I wanted to do a custom tender anyway) straight cab and fair amount of paint loss. It didn't sell at $75. Got relisted at $50, figured I'd get it. It went all week and the day of the auction two others ran the price up over the original listing. Think I'll just wait to get to a show and look for one.

Originally Posted by BLT:

I was on a auction site (don't remember what it was) . If some one bid in the last minute or so, it would extend the auction a few minutes. Great for the seller. Not so great for the buyer or sniper. Interesting idea. 

Probably Trainz/Dash.  It surprised me when it happened, as I'm used to ebay.  I still won.

 

Back to Alaska, Menards just announced Alaska flatcars with loads.  For the size of the railroad, it gets a lot of attention.  Atlas may be the only one who hasn't made any ARR rolling stock - and I'm not sure about that.

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Originally Posted by John23:
Originally Posted by baltimoretrainworks:
 

 

Walter, what's the chance of something like this being made?

 

 

 

al1

 

 

Jerry

That is awesome!!!  I like the little portrait on the side too.  Go to Walter's website and send this photo to him direct, as he might not look back here again.

Just heard back from RMT, someone there sent me a picture of the blue/yellow on from a few years ago and told me they already made one.

 

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Jerry

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baltimoretrainworks posted:

This morning after losing my 4th heavily fought battle in 3 weeks on Ebay for an Alaska RR item I need to ask, are all Alaska RR items that popular or have I just been unlucky? At first I bid sensibly, stopping at what I thought was a reasonable price only to see others get into a war over the items pushing them to "No way is it worth that" territory. My last one I went with a bid I figured no one would match only to lose out to a sniper, and on another I pulled a Dave Hester and ran up the bidding on an item because to be honest I got a little ticked at the guy bidding against me and we're not talking an old item or rare but recent new stuff. Am I just picking popular items or is it just a case of right place wrong time or is the Alaska RR that popular? I know that part of the fun is the hunt but I seem to be in a bit of a slump right now and it's a little frustrating and I needed to vent. Might back off from Alaska for a while and concentrate on some Santa Fe items that I've been looking at and wait til York to resume the Alaska hunt

 

Jerry

My thinking.................Place a bid $50.00 higher 15 seconds before the end of the bidding! You will win the bid! I have done this several 100 times and had the winning bid! Good Luck!

Regards,

Swafford

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