Speaking with the Atlas guys at York, I found out their new engines will be offered in two versions, one with Lionel's command system and one with MTH's. There will be two different item numbers for each engine. I think this is a smart idea on Atlas' part.
That's interesting. Currently they appeared to be offering their older Master line tooling with TMCC and the newer MTH tooling with PS3. Sounds like they are planning to issue the same engine in the future with either system if I understand you correctly?
@BenLMaggi posted:44-Tonners painted for the Arcade and Attica Railroad please!
YES PLEASE!!!!!
@NJCJOE posted:Speaking with the Atlas guys at York, I found out their new engines will be offered in two versions, one with Lionel's command system and one with MTH's. There will be two different item numbers for each engine. I think this is a smart idea on Atlas' part.
That would be great but I need confirmation. I am interested in the "3RL O ATLAS PREMIER SD70M-2 LOCOMOTIVE VERMONT RAIL SYSTEM 431 (RED/WHITE)" in the latest Atlas Spring Catalog. However, I only see it available as "Proto-Sound 3.0 With The Digital Command System Featuring Freight Yard Proto-Effects."
I'm not interested in a DCS locomotive but would definitely be interested if this locomotive was available with TMCC. I do not see any TMCC version of this locomotive offered...
Companies can state all they want. All of them need to actually deliver the products in a timely manner.
@Madockawando posted:That would be great but I need confirmation. I am interested in the "3RL O ATLAS PREMIER SD70M-2 LOCOMOTIVE VERMONT RAIL SYSTEM 431 (RED/WHITE)" in the latest Atlas Spring Catalog. However, I only see it available as "Proto-Sound 3.0 With The Digital Command System Featuring Freight Yard Proto-Effects."
I'm not interested in a DCS locomotive but would definitely be interested if this locomotive was available with TMCC. I do not see any TMCC version of this locomotive offered...
Goodness, where's your famous optimism? If this were Lionel offering it in either command system, you'd be all over it.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Goodness, where's your famous optimism? If this were Lionel offering it in either command system, you'd be all over it.
Well let's see here...
- A poster from York @NJCJOE says that Atlas will offer their locomotives in either a DCS or TMCC option and thinks it is a great idea.
- I look at the Atlas catalog and see a Vermont Rail System SD70 locomotive. Great, I would be interested in one of those. However, contrary to what was reported earlier, there does not seem to be a TMCC option of this locomotive in the Spring Atlas catalog.
- Puzzled by this I reached out to the helpful OGR members (which of course includes you) to see if there was additional information
- At this point, you, being the helpful person that you are, chimed in.
Thank you for offering to help, but can you clarify what you are trying to say? Are you saying that this Atlas locomotive will not be available with TMCC? Or are you saying it will be available with TMCC and perhaps I am looking in the wrong section of the catalog? I am sure you meant to help out but I might need a bit more.
Thank you!
Madockawando
The man who burned York to the ground, York Maine that is 
@NJCJOE posted:Speaking with the Atlas guys at York, I found out their new engines will be offered in two versions, one with Lionel's command system and one with MTH's. There will be two different item numbers for each engine. I think this is a smart idea on Atlas' part.
The sense I got by asking about the Atlas engine tooling, was that they are going to be moving the Master and Trainman locos over to the factory which builds MTH locomotives in due time. Those engines will be offered at some point between now and the end of civilization with the option for either control system as well as DCC for 2 rail.
They also said they were investing in tooling upgrades/changes to enable the offering of 2 rail versions of some of the MTH tooling that was never offered that way. I really doubt that there will be an offering of MTH tooling with TMCC in them.
@NJCJOE posted:Speaking with the Atlas guys at York, I found out their new engines will be offered in two versions, one with Lionel's command system and one with MTH's. There will be two different item numbers for each engine. I think this is a smart idea on Atlas' part.
That would be awesome.
Great News!
@Boilermaker1 posted:The sense I got by asking about the Atlas engine tooling, was that they are going to be moving the Master and Trainman locos over to the factory which builds MTH locomotives in due time. Those engines will be offered at some point between now and the end of civilization with the option for either control system as well as DCC for 2 rail.
They also said they were investing in tooling upgrades/changes to enable the offering of 2 rail versions of some of the MTH tooling that was never offered that way. I really doubt that there will be an offering of MTH tooling with TMCC in them.
Be REALLY NICE to see the Master and Trainman diesels moved over to the MTH factory. Be even better to see some offered Before the End of Civilization. 🫢😳🤣🤣. I’ll take whatever electronics they put in them. They Both Work, don’t they ?
Any tooling upgrades are Always Nice !!!👍
Did they have promised GP production samples ??? 🤔 No one’s posted any pictures. 😤
@TrainBub posted:Did they have promised GP production samples ??? 🤔 No one’s posted any pictures. 😤
They did. See the response from Mike McCutcheon in this thread.
@NJCJOE posted:They did. See the response from Mike McCutcheon in this thread.
Thanks !!! for the link !!!! Great to FINALLY see those GPs !!!!!!! 😜
Well it’s just like everything else. The original post was the rep from Atlas said they will be offering both Tmcc and DCS in all their locomotives (In the future). So that means that in the future if you want a certain locomotive you will be able to get either Tmcc or DCS in the locomotive. In the future. Not at this moment and yes you should be able to get either one system or the other. That first post wasn’t that hard to understand.
@poconotrain posted:Well it’s just like everything else. The original post was the rep from Atlas said they will be offering both Tmcc and DCS in all their locomotives (In the future). So that means that in the future if you want a certain locomotive you will be able to get either Tmcc or DCS in the locomotive. In the future. Not at this moment and yes you should be able to get either one system or the other. That first post wasn’t that hard to understand.
But that is not what the post said. @NJCJOE said that the Atlas rep told him that their new locomotives would be offered in two Versions: one with Lionel’s control system and one with DCS. The word “future” is not in @NJCJOE post but the word “new” is. It is reasonable to believe that a “new” catalog contains “new” locomotives.
Its too bad that Atlas will not be offering a TMCC option on their “new” locomotives as the Atlas rep implied. I would have been interested in ordering the Vermont Railway SD70. Well I still have plenty on locomotives in the pipelines to keep me busy and I can hope that Lionel will catalog a Legacy version in the future.
The good news is that there are plenty of nice pieces of Atlas rolling stock that I will be pre-ordering, especially the tank cars. I don’t need a brand new control system to run them! 😉
SWs (atlas tooling) in traditional class I railroad paint schemes and atlas would be sleeping in a bed made of money.
@Boilermaker1 posted:... They also said they were investing in tooling upgrades/changes to enable the offering of 2 rail versions of some of the MTH tooling that was never offered that way.
Did MTH ever offer any Premier EMD endcab switchers? All I see is ALCOs and Baldwins. Thanks.
@SANTIAGOP23 posted:SWs (atlas tooling) in traditional class I railroad paint schemes and atlas would be sleeping in a bed made of money.
Sure seems that way to me. I've sure been jonesing for them. Caboose Stop Hobbies told me that the excuse Atlas gave dealers for the 2014 cancelled run was a lack of orders. I don't know, doesn't make sense to me.
@Madockawando posted:But that is not what the post said. @NJCJOE said that the Atlas rep told him that their new locomotives would be offered in two Versions: one with Lionel’s control system and one with DCS. The word “future” is not in @NJCJOE post but the word “new” is. It is reasonable to believe that a “new” catalog contains “new” locomotives.
Its too bad that Atlas will not be offering a TMCC option on their “new” locomotives as the Atlas rep implied. I would have been interested in ordering the Vermont Railway SD70. Well I still have plenty on locomotives in the pipelines to keep me busy and I can hope that Lionel will catalog a Legacy version in the future.
The good news is that there are plenty of nice pieces of Atlas rolling stock that I will be pre-ordering, especially the tank cars. I don’t need a brand new control system to run them! 😉
You actually misquoted Joe and your interpretation of what he said is also inaccurate. In repeating what ATLAS told him, Joe said that their new locomotives "will [not "would"] be offered in two versions...", not "are offered in two versions". The verb "will" connotes something to occur in the future. BTW, so does the word "would". The verb "are" connotes something that is occurring right now.
Pat
@irish rifle posted:You actually misquoted Joe and your interpretation of what he said is also inaccurate. In repeating what ATLAS told him, Joe said that their new locomotives "will [not "would"] be offered in two versions...", not "are offered in two versions". The verb "will" connotes something to occur in the future. BTW, so does the word "would". The verb "are" connotes something that is occurring right now.
Pat
Here is what Joe @NJCJOE said: "Speaking with the Atlas guys at York, I found out their new engines will be offered in two versions, one with Lionel's command system and one with MTH's. There will be two different item numbers for each engine. I think this is a smart idea on Atlas' part."
I didn't misinterpret anything and I certainly did not read the word "future" in his post. Atlas told Joe that new locomotives will be offered "one with Lionel's command system and one with MTH's" . The Atlas Spring catalog has new locomotives in it. I asked the OGR board if these new locomotives will be offered " in two versions, one with Lionel's command system and one with MTH's" . The answer seems to be no... fine. I will not be ordering any of these locomotives as my preference. To each his own as they say.
I will concede this much, given the history of Atlas O gauge locomotive deliveries, the SD70's in the Spring catalog are not just new but future as well...2024, or even 2025 perhaps?? Maybe Lionel will catalog a legacy VERMONT RAIL SYSTEM SD70M-2 and deliver it before then.
@SANTIAGOP23 posted:SWs (atlas tooling) in traditional class I railroad paint schemes and atlas would be sleeping in a bed made of money.
I would order a New York Central version in 2 rail. They are bloody hard to find these days. What would be super awesome is if they could fit the Loksound system in the SW.
@Hudson J1e posted:I would order a New York Central version in 2 rail. They are bloody hard to find these days. What would be super awesome is if they could fit the Loksound system in the SW.
Phil ... I was under the assumption that Atlas IS using ESU Loksound in all their 2-rail engines. No? Hope so, anyway.
It's in the new VO-1000 switchers, according to the website.
Jim
Jim, I was not aware that Atlas switched over to Loksound for all 2 rail locomotives. I was just wondering if the Loksound would fit in the SW but now that I think about it if they could fit TMCC in a SW they should be able to fit Loksound. That’s good news to hear since I prefer Loksound over QSI.
@NJCJOE posted:Speaking with the Atlas guys at York, I found out their new engines will be offered in two versions, one with Lionel's command system and one with MTH's. There will be two different item numbers for each engine. I think this is a smart idea on Atlas' part.
They also told me that the DCS version will be more expensive - possibly by around $20.
It will be interesting to see which version sells better, although I doubt that they'll tell us.
@Mallard4468 posted:They also told me that the DCS version will be more expensive - possibly by around $20.
It will be interesting to see which version sells better, although I doubt that they'll tell us.
Did Atlas give you any insight on when they will be offering both versions of their locomotives? Thanks
Well I admit that maybe the word future was the wrong word. New locomotives is correct. The confusion seems to be that some people from what I have been reading are concerned that they will not be able to get the system they want. Now correct me if I’m wrong and I know someone will. Atlas Rep supposedly said you can get either one system or the other if you want in any new locomotive you purchase. Nothing was said about the present catalog. Granted the present catalog is for new items but if they are not stating that for these offerings then that to me means in the future catalog offerings. Enough said!
@Madockawando posted:Did Atlas give you any insight on when they will be offering both versions of their locomotives? Thanks
No. I knew better than to ask Atlas about when a product will be released.
I think it is promising for the hobby that Atlas believes the market will support both command systems, at least for the time being. This is a transition period for Atlas (and MTH) that may last a few years, so we'll just have to wait and see what actually transpires. Listening to/reading the young people on their podcasts and other social media, they are buying a lot of product for folks in their 30s and 40s by my standards.
I’d be surprised if they offered engines in TMCC and DCS for former MTH tooling. There would have to be a substantial amount of redesign of the internals. I’m sure its possible, just not sure its economical. As always time will tell. Their intermodal cars are a gold mine!
@Madockawando posted:Here is what Joe @NJCJOE said: "Speaking with the Atlas guys at York, I found out their new engines will be offered in two versions, one with Lionel's command system and one with MTH's. There will be two different item numbers for each engine. I think this is a smart idea on Atlas' part."
I didn't misinterpret anything and I certainly did not read the word "future" in his post. Atlas told Joe that new locomotives will be offered "one with Lionel's command system and one with MTH's" . The Atlas Spring catalog has new locomotives in it. I asked the OGR board if these new locomotives will be offered " in two versions, one with Lionel's command system and one with MTH's" . The answer seems to be no... fine. I will not be ordering any of these locomotives as my preference. To each his own as they say.
I will concede this much, given the history of Atlas O gauge locomotive deliveries, the SD70's in the Spring catalog are not just new but future as well...2024, or even 2025 perhaps?? Maybe Lionel will catalog a legacy VERMONT RAIL SYSTEM SD70M-2 and deliver it before then.
Some common sense needs to be applied. Think of how far in advance catalogs are produced.
When these were produced, and product decisions were made on what features, etc to have on the cataloged offerings, I am guessing no formal decision had been made, yet, as to the offering of either system going forward.
It will happen when it happens.
I run both systems. I just don't announce it in every post which systems I use
@Mallard4468 posted:No. I knew better than to ask Atlas about when a product will be released.
LoL!! All Atlas locomotives are from the future.
@EscapeRocks posted:Some common sense needs to be applied. Think of how far in advance catalogs are produced.
When these were produced, and product decisions were made on what features, etc to have on the cataloged offerings, I am guessing no formal decision had been made, yet, as to the offering of either system going forward.
It will happen when it happens.
I run both systems. I just don't announce it in every post which systems I use
Okay... I'm just going by what the Atlas rep said.... what else can I do?
@poconotrain posted:Well I admit that maybe the word future was the wrong word. New locomotives is correct. The confusion seems to be that some people from what I have been reading are concerned that they will not be able to get the system they want. Now correct me if I’m wrong and I know someone will. Atlas Rep supposedly said you can get either one system or the other if you want in any new locomotive you purchase. Nothing was said about the present catalog. Granted the present catalog is for new items but if they are not stating that for these offerings then that to me means in the future catalog offerings. Enough said!
Hey, it's not my fault! The Atlas rep threw a very tantalizing an exciting possibility out there. You can fault me I suppose for getting excited about about the idea of O gaugers being able to order the locomotives they want with the control system of their choice right from the factory. That is a really cool idea!!! Very innovative Atlas!! Bravo! Oh oh… hold on... It looks like pure speculative fantasy brought on by a bit of undigested York scrapple.
Isn't the next Lionel catalog coming out in a couple of months?
@Madockawando posted:Here is what Joe @NJCJOE said: "Speaking with the Atlas guys at York, I found out their new engines will be offered in two versions, one with Lionel's command system and one with MTH's. There will be two different item numbers for each engine. I think this is a smart idea on Atlas' part."
I didn't misinterpret anything and I certainly did not read the word "future" in his post. Atlas told Joe that new locomotives will be offered "one with Lionel's command system and one with MTH's" . The Atlas Spring catalog has new locomotives in it. I asked the OGR board if these new locomotives will be offered " in two versions, one with Lionel's command system and one with MTH's" . The answer seems to be no... fine. I will not be ordering any of these locomotives as my preference. To each his own as they say.
I will concede this much, given the history of Atlas O gauge locomotive deliveries, the SD70's in the Spring catalog are not just new but future as well...2024, or even 2025 perhaps?? Maybe Lionel will catalog a legacy VERMONT RAIL SYSTEM SD70M-2 and deliver it before then.
LOL. Go back and read your original post and my response to it. My response was clear, concise and, most importantly, accurate. You just went off the rails with your boundless enthusiasm by assuming that ATLAS O already manufactured their engines with an option to customers to select either DCS or TMCC for an engine. But that's not what ATLAS O communicated to Joe or what he reported here. Once again, the words "would" and "will" connote what someone, in this case ATLAS O, plans to do at some point in the future, not what they are doing currently. It's really very simple. If you still disagree, look up the meaning of those words in the dictionary. And of course, no manufacturer would ever say that they are doing something immediately, as they are handing out a catalog that shows that they are doing something else. It makes no sense. Additionally, you also apparently misconstrued the meaning of the words "new engine" and equated the word "new" with when a manufacturer makes or plans to make a particular engine and the options available for that engine. But the word "new" has nothing to do with the timing of a release. Indeed, the word "new" in that context is both redundant and surplusage, and must also be read in the context of the words "will be offered". Do you know any manufacturer that makes old or used engines? Of course not. Everything they make is new. Finally, one thing I think we all can agree on is that we hope ATLAS O will do what they committed to do at some point in the future, hopefully sooner rather than later.
Pat
@irish rifle posted:LOL. Go back and read your original post and my response to it. My response was clear, concise and, most importantly, accurate. You just went off the rails with your boundless enthusiasm by assuming that ATLAS O already manufactured their engines with an option to customers to select either DCS or TMCC for an engine. But that's not what ATLAS O communicated to Joe or what he reported here. Once again, the words "would" and "will" connote what someone, in this case ATLAS O, plans to do at some point in the future, not what they are doing currently. It's really very simple. If you still disagree, look up the meaning of those words in the dictionary. And of course, no manufacturer would ever say that they are doing something immediately, as they are handing out a catalog that shows that they are doing something else. It makes no sense. Additionally, you also apparently misconstrued the meaning of the words "new engine" and equated the word "new" with when a manufacturer makes or plans to make a particular engine and the options available for that engine. But the word "new" has nothing to do with the timing of a release. Indeed, the word "new" in that context is both redundant and surplusage, and must also be read in the context of the words "will be offered". Do you know any manufacturer that makes old or used engines? Of course not. Everything they make is new. Finally, one thing I think we all can agree on is that we hope ATLAS O will do what they committed to do at some point in the future, hopefully sooner rather than later.
Pat
Pat, I just have one question for you: will Atlas offer their locomotives with either TMCC or DCS in their Spring catalog? Asking for a friend😉
@Madockawando posted:Pat, I just have one question for you: will Atlas offer their locomotives with either TMCC or DCS in their Spring catalog? Asking for a friend😉
That's a good question. I don't know the answer to it. Best to reach out to ATLAS O and ask them. I know this is important to you and others who run only TMCC/Legacy. It is not as important to those of us that run both TMCC/Legacy and DCS. That said, we all expect manufacturers to honor their commitments, but unfortunately, that has not always happened.
Pat
@irish rifle posted:That's a good question. I don't know the answer to it. Best to reach out to ATLAS O and ask them. I know this is important to you and others who run only TMCC/Legacy. It is not as important to those of us that run both TMCC/Legacy and DCS. That said, we all expect manufacturers to honor their commitments, but unfortunately, that has not always happened.
Pat
Right... No point taking any of this too seriously or personally. 😉
Anyway, it's momentum and laziness on my part that inhibits me from the investment of another Command Control system for my layout. That and I like the simplicity of one system. I would buy other brands of locomotives if I can get them with TMCC or Legacy. I do buy a good number of MTH, Atlas and Weaver rolling stock though and I will order some freight cars from the new Atlas Spring catalog.
Hi All,
Wanted to give some clarification - Atlas O Premier Locomotives are currently produced at MTH's old factory while Atlas O Master Locomotives are produced at Atlas' current O scale factory. MTH's factory is authorized and specializes in the installation and testing of the PS3 electronic components that are installed in the Atlas O Premier Locomotives. On the other side Atlas O's factory that produces O Master Locos specializes in the installation of Lionel's electronics.
For the current time Atlas O Master Locos will be offered and delivered with Lionel electronics and Atlas O Premier Locos will be offered and delivered with PS3 Electronics.
-Atlas O
@Madockawando posted:Pat, I just have one question for you: will Atlas offer their locomotives with either TMCC or DCS in their Spring catalog? Asking for a friend😉
Why would anyone, ever expect that after delivering a printed catalog, a manufacturer would then offer for sale part numbers that are not in said catalog?
What happened to the shipment of O scale Master Series ACF 3-bay and 6-bay cylindrical hoppers?
Andrew
@rplst8 posted:Why would anyone, ever expect that after delivering a printed catalog, a manufacturer would then offer for sale part numbers that are not in said catalog?
Maybe because the manufacture at a train show mentions a feature that their locomotives will have but it isn't mentioned in the catalog so as a customer I asked for a clarification?
I may be going out on a limb but I suspect, that sometimes manufactures make changes to their products after a catalog has been released. I also suspect that customers will ask manufactures follow up questions about their products after a catalog has been released. Perhaps you have heard of that happening in the past??
