CB&Q Legacy Fe3ur

One possible scenario is old, dried, "rock-hard" lubrication.  Of course, there are many other possible scenarios.  Take the bodies off the engines and take photos from various angles that you can post here with some close-ups of the gears, wheels, motors and electronics.  Did you consider test running them before purchase?

Chuck

I bought the engine on ebay  Sellee described it as new never run

Will do the photos I was going to remove the trucks and look at the gears but I couldn't Figure out how to remove them

I see you’re still within the 1 month return window. Contact the seller immediately, and discuss with him.

Ive contacted the seller no return  Said basically tough luck

But I really like these engines and want to keep them Hopefully the problem is minor

I’m not familiar with this set, so here’s only a guess.

Is it possible the powered B unit is on the track backwards and pulling against the engine so they’re fighting against each other ?

Doug

@Bob is cool! posted:

Ive contacted the seller no return  Said basically tough luck

No such thing on eBay. You can start a return if a product, any product, sold as new, does not work. And, it’s not at the seller’s discretion. You’ll need to take pictures; a video would be best. Seller is obligated to accept return, issue a complete refund, and pay for return shipping. Get on it ASAP

The powered units do it unattached to the other one

@Bob is cool! - Just to clarify Bob, is this the CB &Q F3 AA set 6-38597 which was released by Lionel in 2012-13?

Yes that's correct  2 A units one powered one unpowered  2 B units one powered one unpowered  Original Lionel shipping carton and never opened and run as far as I can tell

Check if the traction tires are rubbing on the brake shoes.  That happened with my Legacy Milwaukee F3s.  The Lionel traction tires are too thick.  I replaced them with MTH tires and problem was solved.  I later found out that this was a common problem.

Bob

good thought Ill check that tonite

You were absolutely right. It's the traction tires. Now to get new ones. Do you know the product number and size of the mth tires

Bob, I had the same issue with a Wabash F-unit from the same vintage. The advice I got here - which was perfect - was to replace the traction tires (all of them) with MTH tires. Do NOT use the extra Lionel tires (if they are in the box).

EDIT: MTH part # DE-0000018

@Bob is cool - The only drawback RIGHT NOW (if you plan on ordering the tires directly from MTH) is that as per a recent press release they are presently relocating to bigger quarters and won't be processing any orders for awhile.  However, some MTH retailers will probably have some of those rubber traction tires in stock.

Good Luck and enjoy your new F3s once you get the replacement tires!

@Mark V. Spadaro posted:

You’ll need to take pictures; a video would be best. Seller is obligated to accept return, issue a complete refund, and pay for return shipping. Get on it ASAP

Act in haste, repent at leisure. 

@Bob is cool! posted:

You were absolutely right. It's the traction tires. Now to get new ones. Do you know the product number and size of the mth tires

Glad to help.  It is amazing to me that Lionel sold these brand new and non-functioning.  The really embarrassing thing is that they had no remedy.  I don't think they wanted to admit that you have to get tires from MTH.  Really, they should have sourced them and offered them as a free replacement/free shipping.  

As noted above the universal diesel replacement traction tire from MTH is DE-0000018.

Bob

Thanks again I took the side frames off the trucks tonite. They were torn in places and one can see how bad they were. Lionel is responsible for providing a solution at no cost I'll be contacting them after I've fitted the mth tires  Thanks for all the info you given me and your knowledge of the problem.Also for the mth part number

got em ordered

OGR forum is a big help to me. Ive learned lot from so many helpful members I.m having fun restoring my post war engines. I'm still terrible about engine and tender wiring issues. Fried my finger tip with the soldering tip the other night. But I'll persevere to get better

I ordered them from Trainz

@breezinup posted:

Act in haste, repent at leisure. 

Thanks for the profoundity, Tom. With $1,000 on the line, I’d be happy to repent at my leisure, with my money still being my money. eBay is like a bus stop; if you miss your bus, there’s always another one on the way.

@Mark V. Spadaro posted:

Thanks for the profoundity, Tom. With $1,000 on the line, I’d be happy to repent at my leisure, with my money still being my money. eBay is like a bus stop; if you miss your bus, there’s always another one on the way.

Just depends on how long you want to wait. In this case, these are 12 year old engines, 2 A units together with 2 add-on B units one powered one unpowered, in original Lionel shipping cartons and never opened. I think he would be standing on the curb a looong time before that bus reappears. I know I've been waiting for 4 Godots at the Ebay curb for years to no avail. If I were getting younger, it would be one thing, but I'm not.