So I found the manual online and they go over the lubrication points. I'm confused on two parts of that diagram.
1. It says remove the screws and lubricate with Lionel grease. What do those screws do?
2. It points to "body screws" but no mention of lubing those
OK re:lubing (Note: I’d place more importance on doing this FIRST before adding smoke to the smokestack).
Starting with the front/pilot truck - Oil sparingly (ie. 1 or 2 drops) the axles and just put a small dab of grease UNDER the center screw as it’s a pivot point. (Note: This also applies to the trailing truck)
Next, the 2 center screws - where it says to add Grease - allows access to the internal gearing so you remove the screws, add a small amount of grease, then reinstall the screws.
Apply 1 or 2 drops of oil to all the Drive Wheel axles/bushings as well as all of the side rods and linkages. Otherwise you’ll probably hear squeaks when a 21 yr old engine is running. 😜 As Pat (aka Harmon Yards) likes to say, basically lubricate any moving parts to reduce friction - but sparingly!
Enjoy!
Both lubrication and smoke fluid need to be done before running this locomotive.
I mentioned smoke fluid first b/c I suspect replacement smoke units from Big Orange don't exist.
It has ARRIVED!!! 🚂🛤️
Does anyone know if this was a Railsounds 4 product? Looks like 2004...............
@Stoogesman posted:It has ARRIVED!!! 🚂🛤️
Stoogesman,
If you do go the TMCC route you will need a TMCC base and a Cab 1 remote they do come in a set. I would recommend spending no more than $150 for the set. In fact there was one last week on the sell/trade forum. Went pretty fast keep an eye open. Don’t buy off e bay as they’re usually higher. I am assuming you have a transformer that will provide 18 volts.
Good luck
johnB
@Berkshire President - This engine/set was released in 2003 and although I looked the set up in the catalog the description did not specify what RailSounds version the set had.
@PH1975 posted:@Berkshire President - This engine/set was released in 2003 and although I looked the set up in the catalog the description did not specify what RailSounds version the set had.
We'll soon find out. Once the kiddo goes to bed, I plan on unboxing it, possibly taking videos of my progress.
My first time unboxing something brand new that's 21+ years old.
Let the fun begin....!! Freshly cracked open. Included smoke fluid is still full! Here's some opening of the box and then locomotive and tender pictures. Enjoy!! More to follow!
Tender wheels looking good!!
The Southern Crescent has come along way from my MPC era 8702 with 'Electronic Sound of Steam' triggered by contacts in the loco feeding a simple circuit in the tender. Somewhat of an improvement over the bean can though, but my bet is the bean can will still be chuffing, long after the day I can't find the parts to fix the electronic one.
@CALNNC posted:The Southern Crescent has come along way from my MPC era 8702 with 'Electronic Sound of Steam' triggered by contacts in the loco feeding a simple circuit in the tender. Somewhat of an improvement over the bean can though, but my bet is the bean can will still be chuffing, long after the day I can't find the parts to fix the electronic one.
Absolutely agree. My love for the MPC 8702 cannot be stolen by upgraded bells and whistles!
I just got the locomotive and tender unboxed, lubed and sitting on the track. Her first inaugural run after 21+ years in a box, on a shelf, is about to commence! Video to come.
And the inaugural run of the locomotive and tender has commenced! The smoke wasn't working at first, but after adding in about 5-6 more drops, for a total of 15ish, she's puffing nicely. Only odd thing and it's transformer related, is the bell and whistle buttons on the transformer are reversed. The bell actuates the whistle and vice versa.
She's a smokin'!!
It will actually smoke better than that....believe it or not.
To keep the loco running that slowly, the transformer is delivering less than 18 volts to the track.
More smoke will come out than what you see currently.
Glad everything is working out for you on this!
@Berkshire President posted:It will actually smoke better than that....believe it or not.
To keep the loco running that slowly, the transformer is delivering less than 18 volts to the track.
More smoke will come out than what you see currently.
Glad everything is working out for you on this!
Thanks! The only thing I'm noticing is the CW-80 transformer I'm using doesn't seem to be enough juice to give this locomotive her full potential. Just to go slow, I to set it to 60%. 100% is quick but not near enough to derail it. I'm assuming a better transformer would give me more speed?
@Stoogesman posted:Thanks! The only thing I'm noticing is the CW-80 transformer I'm using doesn't seem to be enough juice to give this locomotive her full potential. Just to go slow, I to set it to 60%. 100% is quick but not near enough to derail it. I'm assuming a better transformer would give me more speed?
Yes, a CW-80 due to the chopping nature of the output, is only about 15-16V max by design.
Title of topic says it all https://ogrforum.com/topic/lionel-cw-80-output-15v
FWIW, I own this exact train 6-31713 and ran it last night- only hours ago at the local club layout with TMCC. It is early Odyssey so yeah, under conventional control more voltage will make it run faster, but this train typically even wide open throttle will not go excessively fast- by design (gearing). It is geared such it can move at realistic speeds for passenger, but not go insane speeds like some other trains that can go faster than safe realistic speeds.
"100% is quick but not near enough to derail it."
@Vernon Barry posted:Yes, a CW-80 due to the chopping nature of the output, is only about 15-16V max by design.
Title of topic says it all https://ogrforum.com/topic/lionel-cw-80-output-15v
Ok, my hunch was correct.
So, with that said, what transformer should I get? Keep in mind, I'm not a full-time railroader, just really the holidays. I don't wanna drop $1000 on a new zw or something, but want something ample for this train set.
Should it go fast enough to derail on my setup you see in the video?
MTH Z1000 would be my choice for power for something like that.
Finally got to the part in your video at top speed- that is normal. Given your setup yes, the CW-80 is limiting speed but do you want to derail????
@Vernon Barry posted:MTH Z1000 would be my choice for power for something like that.
That is a nice looking controller and reasonably priced.
Any idea why on the CW-80 I'm using the bell and whistle buttons work opposite?
@Stoogesman posted:Any idea why on the CW-80 I'm using the bell and whistle buttons work opposite?
You wired it to the track backwards. Red to center rail, black to outer rail would be my first guess??
I cannot see the wires well enough to be sure.
@Vernon Barry posted:You wired it to the track backwards. Red to center rail, black to outer rail would be my first guess.
Red is on the outer rail, black on center.
Yep- backwards- the convention is center rail red, outer black.
Just fix your wiring, run the train with your CW-80, it's fine, you don't need more speed. Enjoy this for what it is, a really nice engine from 2004 that is amazingly detailed and well built.
@Vernon Barry posted:Just fix your wiring, run the train with your CW-80, it's fine, you don't need more speed. Enjoy this for what it is, a really nice engine from 2004 that is amazingly detailed and well built.
I can't argue with that. Just switched the wiring and all is perfect. A beautiful perfect condition and perfect running $900 Southern Crescent Limited set!
Well @Stoogesman - Your audience is awaiting your next report regarding the condition of the trucks on the heavyweight cars that came with your 2003 Southern Crescent passenger set?
@PH1975 posted:Well @Stoogesman - Your audience is awaiting your next report regarding the condition of the trucks on the heavyweight cars that came with your 2003 Southern Crescent passenger set?
Heavyweight cars were all perfect! Here's a final video of the full set running around.
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