Chippewa Hiawatha, Weaver is considering

What's the wheel config for this engine? 

 

thanks. 

4-6-2

 

Overland made a model in HO.

 

http://www.brasstrains.com/Cla...-Steamlined-Chippawa

 

Rusty

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https://ogrforum.com/d...ent/2415514336576678

You can count me in for one. I am hoping Weaver does this engine one of these days. Joe Hayter..........are you listening? The only other possibility might be 3rd Rail. But other than the Greenliner, they haven't made anything for the Milwaukee Road. Golden Gate Depot did do a very nice Pullman set in the Milwaukee, but that doesn't count.

 

 

Milwrd

Here are a couple more pics of the "Chip".

 

 

 

Two Pacific's received this streamlined body from the shops, #151 & #152.

Would be great to see this engine made.

Since my layout is all DCS, I would really like one made by MTH.

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Dennis

That won't happen. The potential market for such an engine is too small to pay the tooling costs for a die-cast engine. The only way it could be made is for Weaver or 3rd Rail to do it in brass, where you don't have to pay a fortune for a boiler casting die. If Weaver does make it, grab one and convert it. Given the lead times involved, there may even be PS/3 kits on the market by then. To convert a brass engine to DCS isn't a trivial job, but I've done one and if you're not feeling ambitious, there are plenty of techs around who will do one for you. 

Guys:  One thing to consider is that the Milwaukee had two different versions of the Chippewa.  Originally they were simply standard Pacifics painted in the Hiawatha colors.   And they served well for a few years.  But then the Milwaukee streamlined two of their Pacifics and renumbered them #151 AND #152,  These two engines, were, of course the Chippewa engines that ran from Chicago and Milwaukee up through Green Bay and on to Ontanon agan, MI in a service that the "road" was trying to promote.  Two more of those engines were also streamlined in the style of the Kuhler designed F-7 Hudsons and were used in Iowa to power a second section of the Midwest Hi from Manilla, IA up to Souix Falls, SD.  Eventually they were pulled out of that service and were brought back to Wisc for other lesser trains. 

 

Weaver has had good success with other streamlined steam engines from many other RR's and thought that this engine would be a good addition to the fleet.  Unfortunately, after considerable research their just doesn't seem to be any line drawings of these engines still in existence.  We have submitted countless pnotos of the engines, plus drawings of the original Pacifics as built, but anything beyond this would be a guess and our builders would not commit to building the engines.  Beyond this, after talking to many of our Milw Rd fans, there really is a limited demand for this specific locomotive.

 

Now, let me ask you guys about another engine:  We have had nice models of three of Milwaukee electric locomotives but one major engine remains undone:  How would you guys feel about a good brass model of the Milwaukee's Westinghouse Baldwin big electric passenger engines?  These lokies were some of the largest locomotives ever built.  Very tall, they were almost 25' over the rails and the Milwaukee, with it's rather tall catenary, were able to make good use of them.  They were only used in the Rocky Mountain Division, under normal circumstances, and were unusual in that they were unable to be MU'd with any engine at all.  But, once they were rebuilt by WB, they were good, strong, and fast engines, and were very impressive with their high mounted headlight and impressive "prow" shaped cab ends.

 

Let me know if you think that these big electric motors should be considered for a future model.

 

Paul Fischer

Paul, So is the engine still being considered by Weaver as you mentioned at the Toy Train Museum?  Or without drawings is this dead in the water?

 

If Overland did this in brass in HO... what did they base their model off?  The Overland model looks really nice.

 

I think Weaver would do alright with a limited run of the Chip's streamlined Pacific.

 

As a long time Milwaukee Road fan I would rather see a G6 or G8 4-6-0.  I grew up in view of the Rondout-Fox Lake (IL)-Janesville line in the steam era from 1946 to 1955.  In my Milw collection I have a Weaver Hiawatha 4-4-2, a Weaver Milwaukee F6 4-6-4 and a Lionel S3 4-8-4.  As the Hiawatha and the Olympians were dieselized in those days.  The steam I remember was commuter trains and freight trains.  I would also like to see a L3 USRA heavy 2-8-2 or an 0-6-0.  BTW the very last steam movement I remember was an afternoon Southbound passenger train pulled by an RS3 and an 0-6-0(!!??) on Labor Day 1955.    Odd-d

BTW I think a USRA 2-8-2 might be a good and versatile choice as they were found not only on the Milwaukee Road but on the C&NW, CStPM&O, MP, CB&Q and others.  It might be a good seller.   Odd-d

Remember guys this thread is about the Chippewa. I would go for one. Don

I would go for a Chippewa Hi as well.  If Overland was able to do an HO version then drawings must exist somewhere.

 

John

Some day I will own a Bi-Polar, but never one of these.  The Weaver Hudson was a thing of beauty.  But a USRA Mikado?  Everybody has done those, in any scale you want.  I bet there is one on eBay right now.

 

I am actually surprised that Weaver did so well on those obscure John Wilkes deals.  Glad they didn't make a model of that thing with feathers on the running boards.

This thread is about a streamlined Pacific?

But a USRA Mikado?  Everybody has done those, in any scale you want. 

 

No. The USRA LIGHT Mikado has been done by Lionel, K-Line, and MTH - but the HEAVY Mikado, which is the one the Milwaukee Road had, has never been done in 0 three-rail. Sunset did it in two-rail a long time ago, but that was before they started doing three-rail. 

 

A Chippewa shrouded Pacific would go well with my MTH RailKing MILW passenger cars. Not to derail the thread from the Chippewa topic but a MILW L-3 class USRA Heavy Mike would indeed be a nice loco to see in O gauge and other RRs used them too. 

I believe Southwest Hiawatha has hit the nail on the head concerning these types of engines. The only way these will be made is if Weaver or 3rd Rail make them in brass.

 

Its not been that long ago that you would open a new MTH or Lionel catalog and there would be 4 or 5 new engines with new tooling. Unfortunately, I think those days are long gone. The pattern now is to re-release old tooling with the latest and greatest electronics and features.

 

If I recall correctly, 3rd Rail announced a few years ago the Frisco Firefly Pacific, which I thought would be nice unique Art Deco streamlined engine. I believe it was cancelled because of lack of orders.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...road_The_Firefly.JPG

 

Exactly why I was excited to hear Paul's comments at the Toy Train Museum.

Count me in for a Chippewa, too. I have the K-Line semi scale, but a streamlined Chippewa would be great. With all the Milwaukee Road offerings (S-3s, ribside boxcars, heavyweights, etc.) I wonder if an Everett Road station isn't far off.

i might be interested, but only if there were correct 15" passenger cars to go with.

Found a few more pics...

 

 

 

K-Line made 15" heavyweight cars in orange with a maroon letterboard. There were two different sets, basically the same but with different car names and numbers. K-Line also made 15" scale-profile streamlined cars. MTH has run two slightly different sets of Rail King heavyweights in the Hiawatha maroon and orange scheme, with solarium-style enclosed observation cars (which the Milwaukee Road did use). And finally, back around 2000, Lionel made some nice aluminum streamlined cars in maroon and orange; this was the only time Lionel made a proper Skytop observation car. These are around 15", I forget exactly how long they were, but it was around 15". There was a four-car set and an add-on StationSounds coach. All of these sets turn up from time to time on the Bay, and some dealers may still have the Rail King heavyweights in stock. All in all a pretty good selection of 15-inchers. 

We need a good outline drawing of this engine.  Can anyone help?

Charlie if I could just get you into NYC you'd have a lot more choices.

But that's a good looking steamer and I could learn to love one.

"All in all a pretty good selection of 15-inchers. "

true, but will probably be even harder to find if someone makes this engine. 

the only ones i have seen recently are the k-line streamlined cars (which i nabbed).