CNJ Baldwin Babyface

I just want to simply say I'll be following this project with great interest.  Your 3D output is fabulous.  An iconic CNJ freight locomotive that I'd love to build an example for my layout someday too.  Thanks for all the information and great photos.  The CNJ side of my NY&LB is severely lacking compared to the PRR side.

@GG1 4877 posted:

I just want to simply say I'll be following this project with great interest.  Your 3D output is fabulous.  An iconic CNJ freight locomotive that I'd love to build an example for my layout someday too.  Thanks for all the information and great photos.  The CNJ side of my NY&LB is severely lacking compared to the PRR side.

Thanks for your motivating reply. Are you operating a hi-rail or a scale layout? 

I belong to a high-rail club in Scottsdale, AZ and I run Amtrak and a few western roads in 3 rail with all scale equipment. It is a 32'x40' layout so it is fun.  I don't have a personal layout, but I've been assembling the parts needed to eventually build it in 2R (OW5). 

Most of my 2r equipment is Sunset and several Walthers heavyweight cars.  However it's mostly PRR.  CNJ is just difficult to find.  I will be receiving CNJ GP7Ps from Sunset and I am excited by that.  However, I am lacking on good quality CNJ locomotives and cars overall.  Just not that many in the marketplace these days.  I'd really like to find accurate steel cars for commuter operations.

What is your predominant interest in CNJ?

@GG1 4877 posted:

 

What is your predominant interest in CNJ?

I just have an obsession to design rare diesel engine types which no model manufacturer is interested to produce at an affordable price and brass is way over my budget. Historically CNJ was one of few railroad lines where exotic locomotives were on duty. On a layout they can run together with PRR and NYC rolling stock.

The CNJ certainly excelled in areas of unusual first generation locomotives as did their fleet of steam locomotives up to the early transition to diesel which was completed in 1953.  Personally I'd like to see a Baldwin DR 6-6-2000 on my layout someday.  I assume there was a brass model made at some point, but I haven't found one.

On the steam side the widespread use of the Wooten firebox makes many classes of their steam fleet hard to find as well even if many were based on Reading designs.  The Camelback 10 wheeler is an easy find, but the Atlantic class Camelback is non existent along with the the 0-6-0, heavy Mikado, and several of the Pacific classes.  In many cases, 3D printing the firebox and the cab to replace a mass manufactured USRA type would make for at least a reasonable kitbash. 

The FM models have been done extensively for many CNJ prototypes, but none every done exceptionally well although I have a K-line H24-66 to convert one day and the Lionel H16-44 was done well outside of the floating trucks, high ride height and the 3 rail accommodations.

Speaking of rare diesels - a bit out of era, but I would like to bash or prototype an accurate SDP40F some day.  The MTH Scaleking models fill a gap, but are wildly inaccurate in several areas.

Any thoughts of offering the design either through someplace like Shapeways, or one of the sites that offer 3D models (Turbosquid, etc...)? 

@Magicland posted:

Any thoughts of offering the design either through someplace like Shapeways, or one of the sites that offer 3D models (Turbosquid, etc...)? 

Sorry, if I am not in the mood for charity. The mentioned companies make the profit and I stay empty handed in the corner, no way...if someone is reeeeeally interested, he can get the stuff directly from the source, no 3rd party in between.

@GG1 4877 posted:

The CNJ certainly excelled in areas of unusual first generation locomotives as did their fleet of steam locomotives up to the early transition to diesel which was completed in 1953.  Personally I'd like to see a Baldwin DR 6-6-2000 on my layout someday.  I assume there was a brass model made at some point, but I haven't found one.

On the steam side the widespread use of the Wooten firebox makes many classes of their steam fleet hard to find as well even if many were based on Reading designs.  The Camelback 10 wheeler is an easy find, but the Atlantic class Camelback is non existent along with the the 0-6-0, heavy Mikado, and several of the Pacific classes.  In many cases, 3D printing the firebox and the cab to replace a mass manufactured USRA type would make for at least a reasonable kitbash. 

The FM models have been done extensively for many CNJ prototypes, but none every done exceptionally well although I have a K-line H24-66 to convert one day and the Lionel H16-44 was done well outside of the floating trucks, high ride height and the 3 rail accommodations.

Speaking of rare diesels - a bit out of era, but I would like to bash or prototype an accurate SDP40F some day.  The MTH Scaleking models fill a gap, but are wildly inaccurate in several areas.

Probably you mean the center cab DT 6-6-2000, which has a simple rectangular shape. But the elegant double end-cab DR 6-4-2000 is definitely one of my next projects. Concerning the SDP40F every manufacturer tries to cut corners while struggling with compromises during the design phase in order to reduce production costs.

I too am a CNJ fan, presently in the design stage of a rendition of the NY&LB in O Scale 3 rail. Since I was raised in Pt. Pleasant, NJ area, the Bay Head loop and the 100+ yr old Scherzer Rolling Lift bridge over the Manasquan R. are the most important part for me. I would be interested in purchasing the babyface Baldwin cab shell or a copy of the STL file. Really interested in the Baldwin double cab DR6-4-2000 as they routinely ran down the shore to Bay Head. I am a little confused by your response to 'GG1 4877', are you not willing to sell what you have accomplished?

@BetaNuSigmaPhi posted:

Sorry, if I am not in the mood for charity. The mentioned companies make the profit and I stay empty handed in the corner, no way...if someone is reeeeeally interested, he can get the stuff directly from the source, no 3rd party in between.

Who said anything about charity? Lots of people sell things on both sites and make a profit, it's called commerce. Or do you buy your beef directly from the rancher?

@Magicland posted:

Who said anything about charity? Lots of people sell things on both sites and make a profit, it's called commerce. Or do you buy your beef directly from the rancher?

I don't care about profit, commerce, greed, capitalism, etc., instead I prefer the relaxed personal social contact  with other fellow modelers and BTW as vegetarian I grow my own food...

@Trainmstr posted:

I too am a CNJ fan, presently in the design stage of a rendition of the NY&LB in O Scale 3 rail. Since I was raised in Pt. Pleasant, NJ area, the Bay Head loop and the 100+ yr old Scherzer Rolling Lift bridge over the Manasquan R. are the most important part for me. I would be interested in purchasing the babyface Baldwin cab shell or a copy of the STL file. Really interested in the Baldwin double cab DR6-4-2000 as they routinely ran down the shore to Bay Head. I am a little confused by your response to 'GG1 4877', are you not willing to sell what you have accomplished?

Interesting when you describe the region of your youth, memories come back. Everything can be arranged and direct sales under agreed conditions are not a problem. Send me a private message. About the DR6-4-2000 as dummy unit no problem but who knows which long 6-axled motorized frame could fit under the body, probably longer than a MTH Premier PA-1. 

Oops!  I did mean DR 6-4-2000 double cab Baldwin.  In only 6 units there were two variations.  Amazing how Baldwin still thought like a steam locomotive manufacturer into the diesel age.  They also operated on the Atlantic highlands branch until RDCs took over the route. 

Reminds me that I have a scale RDC awaiting decals for CNJ .... I am really far behind on personal train projects.    Working on reviewing Sunset / 3rd Rail  GP7/9 drawings all day today.  Excited that correct CNJ GP7Ps are in the mix.

[edit - after review "to be corrected" CNJ GP7Ps are in the mix.]

Jonathan;

How about approaching Scott about doing one of the Baby Face Baldwins?  I would buy one in any of the configurations made.  I already have the follow on shark nose units in Pennsy, so a baby face in Pennsy would be right up my alley.  O or S scale, doesn't matter to me, I can use either one.

Rolland

FYI, capitalism is not greed.    You MUST have profits to grow a business.    The money the owners get from the business be they stockholders or individual proprietors comes from profits which come after all the bills are paid and the employees if any (employees are often not owners).    Then after the owner gets enough money to buy his groceries or reward himself for the risk of putting his money out there, he uses what is left to reinvest in the business - buy a newer higher resolution 3D printer for example.     Without profits, there are no owners, and not reinvestment, and then no business growth.    

Rolland,

I need to review my Baldwin reference books and see how many reasonable designs could be made from a single slide tool so it doesn't cost as much as a Krauss-Maffei!  Baldwin was still a custom builder in that era so nothing is standardized.  Still some interesting research to do!

Making accurate DRX6-4-2000’s will be fairly easy as there were only 2 versions, one with 6 portholes and 12 vents per side and the later “cleaned up” version with 3 vents per side. The freight units will be more difficult as Baldwin was dealing with rain water intrusion issues. The CNJ had at least 3 versions of the A units and B units, not including modifications to the 10 units they owned. You can easily come up with 7 variations. Don’t know about other roads.

I work with another designer, who has also done some of the more obscure Baldwin locos of the 1940's.

His site:

firstpersonscalemodels.com

go to project gallery, scroll down and eventually you will find several early Baldwin cab diesel loco models. He will sell printable shells or print for you, he is also on shapeways.

His name is Zach

Jim

I took a break from counting my profits before trading my stocks at the NYSE....

...sorry for the tasteless joke, I couldn't resist...

  I just finished the longer babyface (C&NW #5000 A) with sliding baggage doors in S scale...

...and later I intend to design also the even longer GM&O version...

...but right now I am finalizing the short CNJ B-unit in order to complete my A-B-A set...

Apologies, for some reason the images on my previous posts are not visible, may be a problem with my server where I usually upload image gallery.