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I run many conventional locos and postwar horns.   All my other engines, horns and whistles work well.   I have refurbished and tuned up many.  I have one problem child.   I am running conventional through a Legacy powermaster.

I have a postwar Santa Fe 616 (Corrected) with horn.  The one that used a C battery.  I have worked on this many times and the horn was never reliable.   The previous owner had installed a new horn that was not lionel.  I thought a battery replacer with a little higher voltage would help.   It seemed to test fine, but while running, not reliable.   

So I finally gave up and put in an electronic diesel horn and speaker I had.  Tested worked fine, running not worth spit.   The problem still exists!   

I noticed that testing with the 3 position e-unit off, the horn worked fine.   With e-unit on, not working.   This is in nuetral, train not moving.   

The E-unit is interfering some how.  When I use the horn button, the E-unit gets a new hum.  It is a noisy E-unit to begin with.  The pawl would shake, not up and down, just shakes.   It was the same hum I would hear when the horn didn't work.  I thought it was in the horn originally.  It is clearly in the E-unit.

The ohm rating for the E-unit matches the specs at 12ohm. No apparent short.   

I found in my tech books the E-units were randomly wound and tension may have varied.   Has this caused a weird reaction in this unit?

I tried to put the E-unit on DC with a full wave bridge rectifier, That seem to fix it, but not for long.   At lower speeds the E-unit seemed ok.  I cranked it up to max 18V for about a  minute,  Grandkid/heavy load setting.   The e-unit got hot and I didn't want to see how hot it would go.   Bag the DC fix.

My best guess now is to replace the E-unit.   If that works, trash the coil in this E-unit.   

Any other ideas?

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