Conventional Mode with CAB 1L and Legacy Powermaster: Setting Engine Speed

First step is to program the Powermaster, let's say TR#1.  Return switch to RUN.  Select TR 1, increase power to track by turning Red Knob.  Press Dir button to change directions.  You must address the powermaster to control it's functions.

Check to see that the e unit selector switch is in control mode.

choochoopaul posted:

Check to see that the e unit selector switch is in control mode.

Hi ChooChoo Paul--- I put the E-Unit Selector Switch in the mode that allows forward and reverse as well as the set in 'one' position.   Also reset the TR 1 on Powermaster, per your first reply.  No luck on the DIRECTION button working on CAB 1L.  

I'm running the Legacy Powermaster with CAB 1L, NEW battery's, and Base off my KW.  

Here are my start up steps:  1) Turn on power to KW and CAB 1L/Powermaster.  2)  Set my 'A' Throttle on full Power.  3) Press TR and then 1 then SET.  4)  Increase power using RED WHEEL. NOTE:  Hitting the BOOST button also starts engine up but at full power.  My PW engine 2343 will run in forward or reverse if only if the E Unit was cycled through by cutting power, turning back on etc., to get E Unit in correct position.  If, IE., I wind up in Forward, then the engine moves with RED WHEEL incrementally forward as it should........hitting the DIRECTION BUTTON does nothing.

As you can see, the Powermaster is working, but only partially.  'Are there certain keystrokes that I am missing here AND that aren't in the setup manual?

Mark B.

For your step 3) TR 1 AUX1 

A couple of thoughts - I would use the 180 setting on the PowerMaster for the KW. The A terminal to the center post of PM connector and the U terminal to the bottom post. The top post in the point is not used. If you have the Lionel adapter cable, 6-12893 - A should be the fused link - check for the pin assignments to be sure it's correct.

The Cab1-L base wire connects to the U post on the PowerMaster.

It seems that you have successfully assigned TR#1 to the PowerMaster. The PowerMaster selector switches on the side should be Run and Conv positions.

Many say it doesn't matter, it probably doesn't, but I power the command base first in my startup sequence. Here's mine:

1. Base on
2. Powermaster On
3. KW on with throttle already set at 18 volts
4. remote on
5. Press TR#1 to address or talk to that device (the PowerMaster)
6. Now perform conventional functions - Rotate red knob for throttle -horn button- whistle button - Dir button should cycle e-unit

If it takes too many Red knob rotations to get an engine moving - read the manual to set the speed steps to 32. When you get comfortable , set the stall voltage and speed steps 100 for the conventional engines.

Pages 12, 14, 16 of the manual should get you going

Mark, In the conventional mode do not turn the red knob down to the point where track power is turned off, only to the point where the loco stops. Try the reverse button while running at a very slow speed and see if that works to trigger the reverse unit.

Ray

Moonman posted:

A couple of thoughts - I would use the 180 setting on the PowerMaster for the KW. The A terminal to the center post of PM connector and the U terminal to the bottom post. The top post in the point is not used. If you have the Lionel adapter cable, 6-12893 - A should be the fused link - check for the pin assignments to be sure it's correct.

The Cab1-L base wire connects to the U post on the PowerMaster.

It seems that you have successfully assigned TR#1 to the PowerMaster. The PowerMaster selector switches on the side should be Run and Conv positions.

Many say it doesn't matter, it probably doesn't, but I power the command base first in my startup sequence. Here's mine:

1. Base on
2. Powermaster On
3. KW on with throttle already set at 18 volts
4. remote on
5. Press TR#1 to address or talk to that device (the PowerMaster)
6. Now perform conventional functions - Rotate red knob for throttle -horn button- whistle button - Dir button should cycle e-unit

If it takes too many Red knob rotations to get an engine moving - read the manual to set the speed steps to 32. When you get comfortable , set the stall voltage and speed steps 100 for the conventional engines.

Pages 12, 14, 16 of the manual should get you going

Thanks Moonman.   

No luck yet!  As far as powering up, my 2 KW's and CW-80 (for switches) all come on at once per power strip.  CAB 1L Base is in power strip to, SO ALL GEAR COMES ON at once.  Legacy PM comes on at same time as CAB 1L Base as it is wired to it (I don't see a on/off button on the PM). I do have the Lionel adapter cable, 6-12893.  Those 2 cables go the A terminal of KW, fused end to A and other to U.  My Red & Black Track #1 lines go directly to PM posts, A &U. U post of PM goes back over to same on Cab 1L Base.   Legacy PM is set to 180 for KW.

Same deal occurs with my PW 2343.....only powers up if hi press TR, 1, SET, Red Wheel (Per manual it seems like it should TR, 1 and then Red Wheel.....in other words no SET).  I tried RYAIN'S suggestion on hitting Direction a very low power, but zippo.

I just noticed this in the PM Troubleshoot Page:  I'll try moving track connections over to KW Post A & U; so that they are paired with Lionel adapter cable, 6-12893 A &U respectively.

Mark B posted:

Moonman posted:

A couple of thoughts - I would use the 180 setting on the PowerMaster for the KW. The A terminal to the center post of PM connector and the U terminal to the bottom post. The top post in the point is not used. If you have the Lionel adapter cable, 6-12893 - A should be the fused link - check for the pin assignments to be sure it's correct.

The Cab1-L base wire connects to the U post on the PowerMaster.

It seems that you have successfully assigned TR#1 to the PowerMaster. The PowerMaster selector switches on the side should be Run and Conv positions.

Many say it doesn't matter, it probably doesn't, but I power the command base first in my startup sequence. Here's mine:

1. Base on
2. Powermaster On
3. KW on with throttle already set at 18 volts
4. remote on
5. Press TR#1 to address or talk to that device (the PowerMaster)
6. Now perform conventional functions - Rotate red knob for throttle -horn button- whistle button - Dir button should cycle e-unit

If it takes too many Red knob rotations to get an engine moving - read the manual to set the speed steps to 32. When you get comfortable , set the stall voltage and speed steps 100 for the conventional engines.

Pages 12, 14, 16 of the manual should get you going

Thanks Moonman.   

No luck yet!  As far as powering up, my 2 KW's and CW-80 (for switches) all come on at once per power strip.  CAB 1L Base is in power strip to, SO ALL GEAR COMES ON at once.  Legacy PM comes on at same time as CAB 1L Base as it is wired to it (I don't see a on/off button on the PM). I do have the Lionel adapter cable, 6-12893.  Those 2 cables go the A terminal of KW, fused end to A and other to U.  My Red & Black Track #1 lines go directly to PM posts, A &U. U post of PM goes back over to same on Cab 1L Base.   Legacy PM is set to 180 for KW.

Same deal occurs with my PW 2343.....only powers up if hi press TR, 1, SET, Red Wheel (Per manual it seems like it should TR, 1 and then Red Wheel.....in other words no SET).  I tried RYAIN'S suggestion on hitting Direction a very low power, but zippo.

I just noticed this in the PM Troubleshoot Page:  I'll try moving track connections over to KW Post A & U; so that they are paired with Lionel adapter cable, 6-12893 A &U respectively.

yes, definitely - the wiring should be Adapter cable(s) to A-U on KW - connectors to PM and PM A-U to track for each set up.

Cab1 base wire to U on KW to each KW or U on each PM.

be sure the KW's are phased.

You didn't mention if you checked the CMD/CONV switch when you change modes of operation.

Moonman posted:

Mark B posted:

Moonman posted:

A couple of thoughts - I would use the 180 setting on the PowerMaster for the KW. The A terminal to the center post of PM connector and the U terminal to the bottom post. The top post in the point is not used. If you have the Lionel adapter cable, 6-12893 - A should be the fused link - check for the pin assignments to be sure it's correct.

The Cab1-L base wire connects to the U post on the PowerMaster.

It seems that you have successfully assigned TR#1 to the PowerMaster. The PowerMaster selector switches on the side should be Run and Conv positions.

Many say it doesn't matter, it probably doesn't, but I power the command base first in my startup sequence. Here's mine:

1. Base on
2. Powermaster On
3. KW on with throttle already set at 18 volts
4. remote on
5. Press TR#1 to address or talk to that device (the PowerMaster)
6. Now perform conventional functions - Rotate red knob for throttle -horn button- whistle button - Dir button should cycle e-unit

If it takes too many Red knob rotations to get an engine moving - read the manual to set the speed steps to 32. When you get comfortable , set the stall voltage and speed steps 100 for the conventional engines.

Pages 12, 14, 16 of the manual should get you going

Thanks Moonman.   

No luck yet!  As far as powering up, my 2 KW's and CW-80 (for switches) all come on at once per power strip.  CAB 1L Base is in power strip to, SO ALL GEAR COMES ON at once.  Legacy PM comes on at same time as CAB 1L Base as it is wired to it (I don't see a on/off button on the PM). I do have the Lionel adapter cable, 6-12893.  Those 2 cables go the A terminal of KW, fused end to A and other to U.  My Red & Black Track #1 lines go directly to PM posts, A &U. U post of PM goes back over to same on Cab 1L Base.   Legacy PM is set to 180 for KW.

Same deal occurs with my PW 2343.....only powers up if hi press TR, 1, SET, Red Wheel (Per manual it seems like it should TR, 1 and then Red Wheel.....in other words no SET).  I tried RYAIN'S suggestion on hitting Direction a very low power, but zippo.

I just noticed this in the PM Troubleshoot Page:  I'll try moving track connections over to KW Post A & U; so that they are paired with Lionel adapter cable, 6-12893 A &U respectively.

yes, definitely - the wiring should be Adapter cable(s) to A-U on KW - connectors to PM and PM A-U to track for each set up.

Cab1 base wire to U on KW to each KW or U on each PM.

be sure the KW's are phased.

You didn't mention if you checked the CMD/CONV switch when you change modes of operation.

Hi Carl,

No luck yet!  On the track wires......I've got those wired to Legacy PM.  When I wired them to KW, zippo happened.   Also, I noticed while everything is on the PM GREEN light is flashing.....OK?

Lastly, using the CAB 1L Remote, I'm pressing TR, 1 and then SET.   Doing just TR, 1 and then Throttle = nothing.  I suspect something is weird there in my having to press SET after TR, 1.

Thanks!!

Rayin"S" posted:

Mark, In the conventional mode do not turn the red knob down to the point where track power is turned off, only to the point where the loco stops. Try the reverse button while running at a very slow speed and see if that works to trigger the reverse unit.

Ray

Hi Ray....no luck yet per recent exchange with Carl.  Any ideas appreciated!

Mark

After you power up your system, you have to sync the remote and the Power master.

Try TR #1, Aux1, this tells the power master that it will now talk to the remote.  Just as to talk to an Engine, you must Eng #, Aux 1 to sync the commands with the engine and Legacy Power master.

Why are you pressing "set?" You only press set when changing the address of the powermaster. After the address is programmed into the powermaster, slide the prg-run switch to run.

Aux 1

choochoopaul posted:

After you power up your system, you have to sync the remote and the Power master.

Try TR #1, Aux1, this tells the power master that it will now talk to the remote.  Just as to talk to an Engine, you must Eng #, Aux 1 to sync the commands with the engine and Legacy Power master.

It works!  Took every thing apart and assembled in front of KW.  Two items: 1) Bad neutral wire & 2) Rollers on the PW 2343 were filthy.  

Something that you would generally check 1st got buried in the excitement.

Thanks ALL OGR Members

RoyBoy posted:

Why are you pressing "set?" You only press set when changing the address of the powermaster. After the address is programmed into the powermaster, slide the prg-run switch to run.

Thanks RoyBoy.....all is well....see below!  Mark B.

Thanks ALL OGR Members

PM  works!  Took every thing apart and assembled in front of KW.  Two items: 1) Bad neutral wire & 2) Rollers on the PW 2343 were filthy.  

Something that you would generally check 1st got buried in the excitement.

Mark B.

Good news!

Now it's "where were we? oh, we wanted to play with our trains."

Clean inside of the roller also. That gets dirty over time. CRC makes electrical contact cleaner spray.

Have fun!

Mark, Happy to see you are back on track!

Ray