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Have read several older threads about electrical design for layouts with passive TIU mode.  They have raised a couple of questions about optimal design.

One comment, I believe, said the individual is using just one TIU output channel, then distribution using MTH terminal blocks and the star principle to entire layout.  It seems that could only work if you had only one AC power district, for reason below (sneak currents between districts).

A second question is the independence of signal distribution from power districts.  I guess it’s not independent, since crossing power districts would cause sneak currents from one to another through your TIU channel output wiring.  But at any rate, the physical location of routing of outputs from your MTH terminal blocks to individual track blocks would not have to follow the physical location of the corresponding AC power branches to those blocks, in case better signal could be gained by different more direct routing.

I didn’t find discussion of these details.  Pro Hobby, Zacharia and others might have thoughts worth sharing from their experience.  My AC power wiring is all in place, but haven’t begun passive TIU output wiring yet.  Zacharia’s passive TIU boards have been ordered, though.  Thanks for any comments.

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@cnwdon posted:

One comment, I believe, said the individual is using just one TIU output channel, then distribution using MTH terminal blocks and the star principle to entire layout.  It seems that could only work if you had only one AC power district, for reason below (sneak currents between districts).

That's wrong as the DCS signal doesn't gain strength simply because you used passive mode.  AAMOF, it typically loses a little in passive mode without additional precautions.  One TIU channel will not suffice for anything but a fairly small layout.

Thanks, GRJ. That makes sense. According to Zacharia, as I recall, with his board including its choke, he gets equal and sometimes slightly better signal strength in passive mode.  Separately one person noted they are using 22 ga wire to distribute signal in passive mode.  I’m not sure that lines up with some other information about best wire gauge for signal, but that’s way beyond my expertise with effects of capacitance and other factors.

It seems not many passive mode users are out there, at least judging by the limited number of threads and posts.  I’m very curious to hear from more of you about how you designed to get the most out of the choice to use passive mode.

@cnwdon posted:

Thanks, GRJ. That makes sense. According to Zacharia, as I recall, with his board including its choke, he gets equal and sometimes slightly better signal strength in passive mode.  Separately one person noted they are using 22 ga wire to distribute signal in passive mode.  I’m not sure that lines up with some other information about best wire gauge for signal, but that’s way beyond my expertise with effects of capacitance and other factors.

It seems not many passive mode users are out there, at least judging by the limited number of threads and posts.  I’m very curious to hear from more of you about how you designed to get the most out of the choice to use passive mode.

With a choke between the transformer and the track, it will improve the DCS signal.  It'll never improve it to better than the TIU, at least I've never seen that happen.  Knowing how the TIU functions, it's pretty hard to believe that passive mode could make the signal stronger.

We use passive mode on our modular club layout, but it's pretty basic.  There's a choke between the transformer and the track and the TIU connects directly.

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