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We have a new member who is a Cell phone engineer. He wants to maximize our radio communications between the handhelds and the TIU's. We searched theInternet and can't find the RF freq used between the remote & TIU. The patent says spread spectrum around 900 MHz. Does anyone know the exact frequency?  Also any tips on adding external antennas to the TIU's. Right now we drilled the hole in the case and threaded the antenna to the outside. We also tried clip leading it to a random long wire run along the ceiling. Thanks, Dave NSHR'S 

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I also am wondering the exact freq.

 

The airforce flies low and fast over my home several times a day and night. It is important that they are not interfered with and that thier own emissions are not killing my own attempts to signal the engines.

 

As it stands, it works on the phone cord quite a bit. Yet another reason to be hesitant about acquiring TMCC engines. I hope that someone can clarify this between the DCS and TMCC.

 

I apologize if I open a can of worms. Generally in my home I try for 3 gig and up if there is a device transmitting and listening somewhere. However until that day, everything is wired.

Originally Posted by cruikshank:
 The patent says spread spectrum around 900 MHz. Does anyone know the exact frequency?  Also any tips on adding external antennas to the TIU's....
I am retired and no longer have the applicable regs -- which may well have changed or no longer be applicable, etc, etc -- readily at hand, though I did do a very quick internet review to refresh my memory for the following:
A.  By definition, spread spectrum is "frequency hopping", eg the transmissions 'cycle' through a range of frequencies;  hence, there would be multiple frequencies within a defined band.
B.  The MTH hardware is probably an "Intentional Radiator" under "FCC Part 15", which means, inter alia, that individual users do not need a license to operate the equipment.  But a caveat of Part 15 is that the original transmitter and integral antenna are authorized as a "unit" and any modification, especially one that increases the power, would I believe make the resultant hardware unauthorized.  { As I recall, cell phones are the same way }
See 15.247, etc etc  in the FCC regs;  just 'oogle ' FCC Part 15 frequencies '
 
Best regards, SZ

The Remote communicates with the TIU using RF carriers in the 900 MHz band...  I don't recall the frequencies at the moment...

 

The TIU communicates with the engines using a spread spectrum modulation technique... It is not frequency hopping but rather what's known as direct random sequence modulation... The signal is spread across a 10 MHz bandwidth from 0.1 to 10.1 MHz... If you look at the track signal with a Spectrum Analyzer you don't see much; maybe a blob of energy centered at 5.1 MHz... [I have looked at the signal with a friend's hp Spectrum Analyzer and that's what was displayed...

 

Circuitry in the engine board despreads the track signal, recovers the packet commands and, voila, we can control our engines...

 

The spread spectrum modulation was necessary to combat the noisy RF environment of our third rail...  The pickup rollers are notorious generators of RF noise...

 

Sometimes I am amazed that we three rail model train people have access to such technology in a consumer product...

Originally Posted by JimQ:

The Remote communicates with the TIU using RF carriers in the 900 MHz band...  I don't recall the frequencies at the moment...

 

The TIU communicates with the engines using a spread spectrum modulation technique... It is not frequency hopping but rather what's known as direct random sequence modulation... The signal is spread across a 10 MHz bandwidth from 0.1 to 10.1 MHz... If you look at the track signal with a Spectrum Analyzer you don't see much; maybe a blob of energy centered at 5.1 MHz... [I have looked at the signal with a friend's hp Spectrum Analyzer and that's what was displayed...

 

Circuitry in the engine board despreads the track signal, recovers the packet commands and, voila, we can control our engines...

 

The spread spectrum modulation was necessary to combat the noisy RF environment of our third rail...  The pickup rollers are notorious generators of RF noise...

 

Sometimes I am amazed that we three rail model train people have access to such technology in a consumer product...


 Maybe another reason to go two rail??

Originally Posted by HOSO&NZ:

Good for you Enginear-Joe, when faced with difficulty don't ever be afraid to re-invent the wheel.

?? not sure of your point. Two rail? external antennas?

I had to fix my antenna. I had too many dead spots in the basement. Now much better. I also will be running outside.

 As far as two rail, manufacturers are making it much easier. Well almost all are.

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