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My old layout featured in Run 255 is history. My kids are grown and gone; an additional 12’x25’ space that was the old playroom is now available on the other side of the train room wall for expansion. The wall is coming down along with everything else.  I am in the process of a complete demolition in order to build a bigger and better rendition of the “Eastern District”. It all started with a “Honey, is it OK if I bring a few boxes up out of the train room and store them in the living room to make some room to work on demolition”?

Here is a pic of my living room after packing everything up and carrying it up out of the basement…..it turned out to be more than a few boxes.

 

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Debbie is a good sport and supports me in my hobby. We go to train shows together (we will be at York on Thursday); she is an accountant and carries the money. She knows what our trains cost. I stopped trying to hide purchases a long time ago and found that honestly works out the best for us. She even helped pack up a lot of the rolling stock I did not want to put back into their boxes. She knows how to use a drill / driver and is good at providing an extra set of hands for construction. I could not have wished for a better life partner.

This is what is left of the mighty Union Pacific.

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It is a little sad….I worked a lot of years to get it to the point of being worthy for the magazine. It only took (3) weekends to ripped it all down and box everything up. The dumpster arrives early next month along with the reciprocating saw. All that is left is the Bowser 32” turntable and my Korber Roundhouse. Sadly, they will most likely see the dumpster as they will not be reused and really cannot be packaged to ship somewhere.

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I tried a few different methods to salvage the ROSS switches but none of them worked. With their wood ties, they are stuck forever to the cork and / or plywood table top with good ‘ol Elmer’s white glue.

 

Did I mention that Debbie is getting a NEW KITCHEN and MUDROOM this summer as a bargaining chip?

Donald

 

 

 

 

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Hard to see it go but a lot of great times ahead with the rebuild! 

I would also throw my hat in the ring for the turntable and round house, if SPWILLS does not take them or you choose to do something else with them. I'm about an hour and a half North. I would gladly make that drive if it means they avoid the dumpster.

Dennis posted:

I don't think I would have torn down the layout, just the wall.  Then add a big extension in the other side.

Dennis

Well, I thought about that a lot. However, the old layout was nothing more than concentric circles. Even running the trains in opposite directions it was still just taking laps around the room. I enjoy just running trains and it got old after a number of years.

Plus, and this is a big plus....the old layout had (2) duckunders. One to enter the room and the other to get to the major control panel.  Add in (3) pop up areas for access that involved more crawling around on a concrete floor. At almost 62, my old joints and knees (not to mention the occasional head bump) just do not work like they did when I started the layout years ago. If I would not have decided to demolish and rebuild, I seriously considered selling everything. But then I figured I had one more layout left in me before I got too old to walk stairs!

The old layout was never convenient to show off to visitors, especially after the magazine article. I was asked to have open houses but I had to keep it off any national tours for that reason. The room would just not accommodate more than 3 or 4 guys at a time and even with only 3 plus me, we would always bump into each other.

New layout = NO DUCKUNDERS and NO POP UPS

New layout = The trains actually get to go somewhere with grades and bridges

New layout = 5 train staging tracks

New layout = Minimum curve diameter = 084

New Layout = A lot less maintenance.....old layout had too many switches in hard to reach places

New Layout = "High Plains" type scenery (think just west of Cheyenne, WY).....regardless of how hard I tried, all my layouts always looked like the area where I live in eastern PA and not UP territory

New Layout = User and visitor friendly! A minimum 36" of aisle width and more 42" to 48"

Donald

 

 

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spwills posted:

Good Luck with the rebuild! I sure hope I can marry that well.

If you are just going to throw away the roundhouse and turntable, would you be interested in giving them away? I'm down in the Coatesville area, so they would not need to be shipped.

Regards,

I thought about that....I even received a few offers for some cash. I like cash.

Truth be told, I am not sure how easy it will be to just get both of them out. Since everything is covered in ballast, it is all glued extremely solid together with Elmers white glue. The wood ties used by Gargraves and ROSS only help to make the bond better to the plywood top. It was not built to come apart. Plus, I really liked to use a lot of drywall screws to hold everything together. The screw heads are buried beneath the ballast and unless you scrape off all the ballast, it is almost impossible to figure out where they are. If you can find them, the heads are filled with dried glue and rubber dust that needs to be picked out.  I already tried to remove some Gargraves and ROSS (thinking I could reuse) but it did not go too well. I tried to soak the ballast first, all that did was create a sticky mess of rubber ballast....the wood ties held firm to the plywood top. I tried the "dry" approach using a wide putty knife and that split the wood ties in half. I tried cutting the switches and some track out by removing as much ballast as I could. That did not work.

I am not sure how familiar you are with the OLD Bowser turntables. I bought mine long before ROSS or Millhouse made theirs. Even before Diamond and their concrete pit walls.  I need to say that the Bowser 32" turntable is basically a piece of junk. I worked a long time to get it to function properly and look like it does. They were supplied with a large plywood wheel mounted beneath the table that turned the bridge using a very small electric motor with rubber washers around the shaft pushing against the outside of the wheel. At best, it was a very bad design for these large turntables. I replaced all of that with a 12VDC TV antenna rotor mounted directly to the bridge that I wrote about on the forum many years ago. That made it rotate better but it was never exactly "centered" in the pit from the first day I bought it and that always made it tough to make sure you had the lead tracks aligned with the "right" side of the bridge for a smooth transition of the locomotive driving across the gap.

The Roundhouse is also a very old original Korber kit. The roundhouse walls are glued together and to the plywood top with epoxy. All the interior wood framing from the Korber kit is also glued to the table top. Maybe with a lot of coaxing, it may just lift off. I already tried that but honestly did not give it too much effort as it looked like it was going to break.

Possibly with a reciprocating saw and metal cutting blade two "big" chunks could be salvaged. But then you would lose all the lead tracks going into the roundhouse because they would have to be cut in half.  So far, nothing is broken but I could not guarantee that to be the case trying to remove them. I also need to make sure that the rest of the layout in the center area just will not fall down with that section cut out as I would not want anybody to get hurt.

Together, it is close to a 6'x8' section of layout. You would need a pickup or full size SUV to haul it, cutting tools and a buddy to help  you out. I no longer do any heavy lifting.

I do not think the turntable and roundhouse can be removed together and carried upstairs in one piece. The section would have to be carried up the basement steps, thru my kitchen and out the back door. I have a driveway down the side of my house so once you get outside it is easy.  I have no outside basement entrance. What will restrict everything is a 90 degree corner thru two door openings going into the train room. It is tight.

I did hire a crew to just come in and gut the room back to the walls all in a day. They are licensed and insured. That is going to happen next month.

Not trying to be difficult as I would love someone to be able to use them, just stating the facts that the effort may not equal the gain.

Donald

 

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Jameszz posted:

Hard to see it go but a lot of great times ahead with the rebuild! 

I would also throw my hat in the ring for the turntable and round house, if SPWILLS does not take them or you choose to do something else with them. I'm about an hour and a half North. I would gladly make that drive if it means they avoid the dumpster.

Hey James....please read my reply above for some candid thoughts about all of this.

Thanks.

Donald

What ? Throw out the round house and the turntable?!!!! NOOOOO! there must be a way to save it?

Where do you live?  Even if you sectioned the round house up into flat sections you could possible save it.

Also I desperately need some RH regular Ross switches. If you remove the screws and use a spatula, the switches will pop right up... voila.

J Daddy posted:

What ? Throw out the round house and the turntable?!!!! NOOOOO! there must be a way to save it?

Where do you live?  Even if you sectioned the round house up into flat sections you could possible save it.

Also I desperately need some RH regular Ross switches. If you remove the screws and use a spatula, the switches will pop right up... voila.

Hey J Daddy.

I honestly would not know why anybody would want that Bowser turntable for their layout. Even though it looks good, it is just not worth it for trouble free operation. The smaller ones may be fine but that 32 incher has problems.

Good point with the wall sections on the roundhouse. I could break them apart and use them for something else.  I did not think about that. I have a new roundhouse from Altoona Model Works.

Negative on the switches......there is no popping up!!

Have you tried this yourself when the wood ties of the switches are glued to the table top (every tie) and firmly entrenched in ballast between the ties?

Remember, the ties on the ROSS switches do not seem to be a hardwood and readily soak up all the wet glue mixture that was used to secure the ballast.

I thought the shear strength of white glue was not so great and would take a lateral force. I was wrong as the bond between the tie and plywood top is too strong.

Try this out, take a Gargraves tie, spray the underside with water and then glue it to a piece of plywood with white glue. Clamp in place. Surround with ballast also glued in place.  Wait a day and see if it will break off the plywood without delaminating the tie itself.

The wood ties of the Ross switches are FIRMLY glued to the plywood table top. Trust me, if it worked I would have already done it. It will cost me $2000 for switches for the new layout!

I took a wide blade putty knife and a hammer. Cut away the ballast to get even with the table top. I gave the knife a lot of love with the hammer. Nothing, all it did was break the wood ties and bend the rail. I tried soaking the ties and ballast. A gummy gooey mess. I tried cutting under the tie with my Japanese molding pull saw. Nada. I tried my Dremel tool with a wide cutoff wheel. Nope.

Donald

Oman posted:

Regarding the switches, maybe cut them away whole still attached to the table top. You may not want to rework them, but I'm sure that there would be a number of guys on this forum that would find a way to use them.

sure, just like a hand laid turn out. you just cut the plywood base around it out and move it to  its new location.

Just an update on my demolition....my sons took some time off from their busy lives and gave me a hand. It is all gone and so is the wall between the rooms.

I am getting a new HVAC system put in and moving around some utilities. Next will be LED cans in the ceiling to provide a consistent color balance to the layout. Followed by updated wall backgrounds and then the layout. Always best to have all the background, ceiling, etc finished before starting to screw together lumber.....no matter how tempting it may be.

And yes....the Bowser turntable went to a good home.

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