Dockside?

That’s a real beauty there. 

Got something similar 

Mine already looks better.  Rear tank was straightened while watching the news.

Gotta love tank engines

This is an International from the 1950's.  It's been re-motored, some details added and awaits its turn in the paint shop.

S. Islander

@S. Islander posted:

This is an International from the 1950's.  It's been re-motored, some details added and awaits its turn in the paint shop.

S. Islander

KTM also offered one.

Ed's photos are available on-line.  I am using them as I proceed.  I hate making window mullions, and my first mistake was making them only one pane wide.  If you like Docksides, check out Ed's work.  I'll get a link.

Another mistake was scaling up from an HO Varney to 17/64.  This thing will be almost as tall as a box car.

I do promise a less impressionistic photo when I get further along - things are just resting on the boiler in the first photo.

This is the IMP dockside that S. Islander posted about, detailed and painted (and also re-motored).  It's got good basic dimensions, and is a good starting point.

I agree.  My tops for one of these was $100; they seem to go for twice that, at least.  That's why I am rolling my own.  Further along now, so no need for the impressionist version of photos.  I scaled it up from HO, and it may be a bit large for 17/64, but it is still an interesting exercise.  Ice car is an ancient cast car with really nice 1940s orange paint.

Might have to lower those domes and re-solder the cab roof - but coming along.

Oooo eye candy...

another piece.of candy.....

another piece of candy...

The big names look ok, but the IMP nearly has me ready to rip out that third rail. 

  So short, fat, ugly, and mean looking they are simply gorgeous 😘

They don't say " I think I can".  They scream "You best know I will" 

@bob2 posted:

I agree.  My tops for one of these was $100; they seem to go for twice that, at least.  That's why I am rolling my own.  Further along now, so no need for the impressionist version of photos.  I scaled it up from HO, and it may be a bit large for 17/64, but it is still an interesting exercise.  Ice car is an ancient cast car with really nice 1940s orange paint.

 

Thread drift...how about more info on that "ancient cast car with really nice 1940s orange paint"...?

Mark in Oregon

Ask Carey Williams.  He got the rest.  I think they were Huntington Scale Models or something .

The US Hobbies (KTM) version was always my favorite.    It was better detailed and ran better out of the box than the IMP.     Most of this was because it is a newer model.    US Hobbies did the original dockside version and also a model of the loco converted to a tender loco with the tank removed.   

The IMP version which I had, did not have bearings on the axle.    The axle just rode in holes in the formed brass frame.    The USH version had bearings and a cast frame.     I had the USH version of the tender loco and have seen many of the tank versions.    I also had the tender version from IMP at one time.

If I had captured the IMP the frame and drivers would have been in the junk pile.  I don't mind using the frame material for a bearing surface, but opt for a bit more brass.  IMP is about 1/16" thick; mine is 1/4".

1/4 inch would be good for a frame.    I think the USH stuff used "oilite" bearings but plain brass should work.    The brass frames on the IMP just seemed like they would wear out quickly if used much.

Like this?  I did straighten the cab roof and lower the cylinder block a bit.  Next shot will be with rods on.

Hello all ...here is Frank Caliri's Docksider built before 1950.pictured in RMC,and one of Hertz's books beautifully built 

The prairie northeast of Denver was populated with Great Western sugar beet plants served by assorted tank engines, a few with auxiliary tenders.  I have repainted and lettered a Lionel and two MTH tank engines to serve my beet plant.  Several of those closed plants have these "dinkies" ,as they were called, on display.

Great photos everyone!   Here is a MTH Docksider I bought for $90.   I later added a Gargraves cross tie to the front and weathered the engine.   The Dockside serves as first line logging train power on my Mountain Division.  Docksiders are nifty little locos! 

@Carey Williams posted:

Hello all ...here is Frank Caliri's Docksider built before 1950. 

Wow; isn't that something.

Looks like it's as good a model as anything built in the 70 years since...outstanding!

Carey: you should start a thread and on a daily/weekly(?) basis just show EVERYTHING you have. It would be a virtual encyclopedia of vintage O scale... 

Mark in Oregon

‘The prairie northeast of Denver was populated with Great Western sugar beet plants...’

oh do I remember those days in Greeley when the wind was right. Sweet smell of sugar beet processing combined with the stockyard smell. Yum.

This is my Right-Of-Way version...

and my weathered MTH version...

Tom

That Calisi model is as well proportioned as any I have seen.  Way better than mine will be - I sort of missed on the domes, cab depth, and window mullions.  Still, some progress is being made.

I have a Thomas caboose to go behind, with a broken step.  Just bought a partial kit for the step casting, so if anybody needs a specific Thomas part I am the guy.

The Great Northeastern Railway's docksider, built by MTH, GNR shop photo.

There was another thread recently talking about the scored wheels on these MTH engines. The scoring can be removed with some careful dremmel or file work. I haven't attempted it yet but it's on my never ending list of engine repairs. The noise on tubular track is quite pronounced.

@RSJB18 posted:

There was another thread recently talking about the scored wheels on these MTH engines. The scoring can be removed with some careful dremmel or file work. I haven't attempted it yet but it's on my never ending list of engine repairs. The noise on tubular track is quite pronounced.

The scoring on the wheels is there for traction. The MTH Docksider has no traction tires. Smoothing the wheels will reduce its pulling power.

Here are couple of photos of my KTM (Max Gray?) Dockside, note that I do not have a layout at this time so I used an outside-third-rail double crossover that I have as a base:

@Randy Harrison posted:

The scoring on the wheels is there for traction. The MTH Docksider has no traction tires. Smoothing the wheels will reduce its pulling power.

Agreed but a prototypical consist for this loco would only be a few cars.....worth a try. I can't find the other thread in the search engine but this issue was discussed with no noticeable loss in pulling power. They are heavy enough to overcome the loss of the grooves on the wheels.

Well, some progresswill be evident.  Needs a longer combination rod and radius rod, a firebox, and a reversing lever, but all in all, I may have captured it.  Sand domes could stand replacement - will worry about that later.

I do like that vintage model, very good. 

Sugar beet, oh peeewwwww... I live in East Anglia, where we still have a sugar beet industry and the smell during the campaign is foul. 

A propos the Thomas caboose, the Rev Awdry’s parish was hereabouts, and Thomas’ distinctive blue and red livery, and number #1 were derived from the Hudswell Clarke 0-6-0T which worked at the local sugar plant (operated by British Sugar Co in those days). 

One of these survives to this day in preservation locally, still operational, bearing the name “Thomas” which was bestowed by the Rev Awdry himself in the early 1970s.

Speaking of the good Reverend Awdry, I believe he is preparing for Sunday Services right now...

What up with that church roof & photoshop blur? 

The 2r versions are very nice. The ROW 3r acceptable.

The MTH from shell to valve gear is only a small step above the MPC Lionel dockside imo...pure toy. But (early) Lionels was so toyish I felt I had to move it further into absurdity, accenting both natures more.  At least those are black vs cast red or blue 😁

This is only to illustrate and compare, and doesn't really belong in 2r anyhow, so I'll not insert it large or continue to compare unless the OP leads the way.

I personally do not mind thread drift.  Have fun!  I will stick another photo in here when I finish.

My MTH Dockside assigned to MOW duty.  

Progress report - new sand domes, mechanical reverser, air tanks, firebox, and a junk caboose!  I ordered a ten dollar caboose to replace a step on one of my reasonably ok Thomas, and then discovered I had almost an entire caboose in hand.  Maybe someday . . .

Boiler steps are coming from Wiseman - and a ladder, some piping, and a tail light are in order, and then I will re-do the rods and valve gear.

Nice work as always...

Mark in Oregon 

@PRRMP54 posted:

Here are couple of photos of my KTM (Max Gray?) Dockside, note that I do not have a layout at this time so I used an outside-third-rail double crossover that I have as a base:

I've often thought of selling the whole shebang of my O scale stuff  that's collected dust for almost 30 years and just doing one nice bedroom full of Baltimore with a maze street track and industrial buildings.

Steps came in the mail today.  So I looked at the photo I am trying to copy - the wood cab version.  Oops!  No steps on the right side of the tank.  Should I assume there were steps on the left?  Cannot find a left side wood cab shot.

Nice steps.  Wiseman is doing scratch builders a good favor.