Truck Placement (factory seconds?)

Looks like the trucks and couplers are the same but the truck on the right is mounted further inboard. Romove both trucks a check out where the mounting holes are in the frame.

Pete

Norton posted:

Looks like the trucks and couplers are the same but the truck on the right is mounted further inboard. Romove both trucks a check out where the mounting holes are in the frame.

Pete

Pete - I've already had to drill an extra hole on a different car to mount the truck closer to the end.  It appears that this is from the factory.  How can it be?

Ponz

PONZ, what type of car was this and what manufacturer made this. It sounds unusual. Looks like a mistake that got past quality control. Was.the car purchased new or from a second seller......Paul

Those are Lionel trucks. Used on their Standard O cars. They have 2 mounting holes. One hole is visible in the photos. The other mounting spot is in the tab that's near the inboard axle. It's as simple as unscrewing the truck and sliding the truck over a quarter inch and rescrewing into the other mounting hole. 

Stu

paul 2 posted:

PONZ, what type of car was this and what manufacturer made this. It sounds unusual. Looks like a mistake that got past quality control. Was.the car purchased new or from a second seller......Paul

2nd seller (-;

PONZ, Stu hit the nail on the head. Lionel designed a truck with two mounting screw holes depending what car it would be mounted on....Paul

paul 2 posted:

PONZ, Stu hit the nail on the head. Lionel designed a truck with two mounting screw holes depending what car it would be mounted on....Paul

Paul - only one of the two trucks has the optional hole.

Ponz

Ponz posted:

paul 2 posted:

PONZ, Stu hit the nail on the head. Lionel designed a truck with two mounting screw holes depending what car it would be mounted on....Paul

Paul - only one of the two trucks has the optional hole.

Ponz

PONZ,

Based on your photo, they both have the extra mounting hole.  Based on the underframe, this looks like a Lionel Standard O Double Door Box Car.  For this style car, the trucks should be mounted using the mounting post on the truck that's on the tab which extends very close to the inboard axle. 

In your photo, the truck on the left is properly mounted (using the "optional" hole, as you call it).  In the photo, the truck on the right also has this optional mounting post.  I can see the tip of the post peaking out just behind the inboard axle.

Here's how to make it right:

Step 1, remove the 4 screws from the 4 corners of the black underframe to separate the frame from the body/shell.

Step 2, remove the screw which attaches the truck to the frame for the truck on the right in your photo.  This is the one where the truck is attached through the hole in the truck bolster instead of the mounting post on the tab that sticks out.

Step 3, reattach the truck, but this time screw the truck mounting screw into the mounting post on the tab near the inboard axle (not the screw hole that's dead center in the truck)

Step 4, reattached the frame to the car

This is about a 4 minute repair and only involves unscrewing things and rescrewing them back to gether.

Stu

NOT LionelLLC posted:

Ponz posted:

paul 2 posted:

PONZ, Stu hit the nail on the head. Lionel designed a truck with two mounting screw holes depending what car it would be mounted on....Paul

Paul - only one of the two trucks has the optional hole.

Ponz

PONZ,

Based on your photo, they both have the extra mounting hole.  Based on the underframe, this looks like a Lionel Standard O Double Door Box Car.  For this style car, the trucks should be mounted using the mounting post on the truck that's on the tab which extends very close to the inboard axle. 

In your photo, the truck on the left is properly mounted (using the "optional" hole, as you call it).  In the photo, the truck on the right also has this optional mounting post.  I can see the tip of the post peaking out just behind the inboard axle.

Here's how to make it right:

Step 1, remove the 4 screws from the 4 corners of the black underframe to separate the frame from the body/shell.

Step 2, remove the screw which attaches the truck to the frame for the truck on the right in your photo.  This is the one where the truck is attached through the hole in the truck bolster instead of the mounting post on the tab that sticks out.

Step 3, reattach the truck, but this time screw the truck mounting screw into the mounting post on the tab near the inboard axle (not the screw hole that's dead center in the truck)

Step 4, reattached the frame to the car

This is about a 4 minute repair and only involves unscrewing things and rescrewing them back to gether.

Stu

Thanks Stu.  That was the ticket.  I guess the extra hole I drilled isn't hurting anything.  I'm glad this isn't a collector's item!

Ponz

rattler21 posted:

Ponz,  Stu's guidance is spot on.  Are the trucks the same?  Do you have a pair of matching trucks or do you have two Lionel trucks that are not the mirror images?  John in Lansing, ILL

Done deal John.  I didn't realize that other mounting hole was there.

Ponz