Engine not on track

Thanks gunrunnerjohn I appreciate the reply.

Trackahead

Ok I may have a real issue here. I have reset my only TIU to fact defaults and the remote, when I am using THE FIXED 1 ports I get power to the track however; The remote keeps saying no engine to add even when the engine is on the track.If I use Fixed 2, the engine starts up automatically but I have no control, this occurs every time I I remove power and add power back via the 1000 brick. Do I have a TIU issue here? Any ideas? Could the fuse in the TIU be defective- I guess if it was I would get no power.

Thanks

The fuses in the TIU would result in no power to the affected channel.

Did you try a different engine?  Let's find out if it's the TIU or the engine.

Hi gunrunnerjohn,

Yes tried 3 engines same results as above. Just a note prior to this all occurring, i had to do a hard shutdown on my remote. The issues started after this. I cannot believe that I blew out the Tiu, is this possible with a hard shutdown?

Don't forget the tiu need a power supply to  function  or  turn on .( power to fixed 1 or an aux power supply) . If you're using fixed 2  is the tiu  turned on. take a peek at the red led on top of the tiu,, is it lit?

Does  the read find the tiu?

 Reset the remote and start over with only one engine on the track at a time.

Yes the TIU is lit and read does find the TIU. I have already reset the remote and have used only 1 engine.

Not good!   Power everything down again and double check the wiring or use a small test track.. red to center rail black to outside.  An  E-stop shouldn't  foul things up this much.

ok I tested again using fixed 2, first of all with fixed 2 I see no lies in the TIU, should I? I do see te lite with fixed 1, in any case the read function from what I see does not work at all.

If you're going to use fixed 2 . fixed 1  IN  must also have power to turn the tiu "on" so it can function.

Hi, the power is on I have been using this unit for over a year now. At this point it looks like that something happened to the unit.  My question now is, why is fixed 1 and 2 working differently from each other? A nd when using fixed 2, am i suppose to see any lights in the tIU because I do not however I do get power to the track using fixed 1 and 2

There are separate components that control output DCS signal.  I still think you missed Greggs point.  If you are going to use FIX 2 for the track, you still need to power Fix 1 to get the TIU power.  Or else use the auxiliary power port.

If you apply power to Fix1 and Fixed 2 input, and have an engine on the track powered by Fix 2 does it start up or stay silent?

If silent then go to advanced menu option and do a "Recover Engine"  if it doesn't work try it 3 or 4 times.  If still can't find the engine, you need to remove the TIU and see if the engine runs in conventional fine.  If it does, I think you have a TIU issue.  They can be repaired, I do repairs, but let's get some more testing done.  G

Fixed 1 and fixed 2 are straight through connections.

, what goes in comes out the other side. . However if the tiu is in the off state , power still flows through the tiu  (unless a fuse is blown) but  now with no dcs signal..   This is the signal you need to add engines.

Can you get the tiu powered up (red led lit) with power to fixed 1 in?I 'm going to have to catch you later. The guys will get you fixed up.

Using fixed 1 I do get a red light in the TIU. I also see what you are saying when using fixed 2, an Aux power source is needed or also use fixed 1 to get power. Using fixed 1, the engine stays silent. I will try the recover engine however at this point there are no active engines in the remote, they were all removed doing the factory reset on the TIU and a remote reset. Thanks Gregg

The recover engine function is for that purpose.  However, if all the engines don't work, that's certainly not a good sign!.

Ok thanks gunrunnerjohn, at this point even just using fixed 1, I cannot get any engine added. I think i going to call it a night. Thanks very much and Gregg as well.

It appears something happened to your TIU, but the emergency shutdown shouldn't so anything fatal, I've stabbed that a few times when there was an impending crash.

I think I'd get someone to look at the TIU at this point, it certainly seems something happened to it.

Trackahead,

Just use jumper wires from FIXED 1 Inputs to Fixed 2 Inputs to power the TIU and then FIXED 2 Outputs to track if you don't have an auxiliary transformer.

Chapter 8 in the DCS users' manual.

Morning....That's all I got!

  I'm wondering if the tiu is perhaps a I3a which is know for faulty signal problems.. Turn it over ...the version of the tiu is on the bottom. Try the read again.. What message do you get?

After an e-stop the tiu must be turned off completely,,, if using an aux power supply the jack right at the tiu must be pulled out..  just  pulling the wall adapter doesn't count. .

Take a look at the red led on top of the tiu... how many times does it blink when power is first applied?

Hi All,

Ok at this point, fixed 2 is working fine with an Aux power supply however; when using fixed 1, I just keep getting Engine not on track. And at times the engine will start up on its own but I have no functionality with it at all. it looks like that I will be sending the unit back to MTH for repair. Apparently the e-stop must have caused something here.

Tanks everyone for all the help.

 Al- Trackahead

If fixed 2 is working, let's check and make sure that the DCS is configured on all four channels.

Hi gunrunnerjohn,

How do I go about this?

MENU,

SYSTEM,

DCS SETUP

Select each of the channels with the thumbwheel and select the ON softkey (left hand key).

See if that makes a difference.

cool will try this - thanks very much

Was the emergency stop used for crash prevention or was something shorting out that prompted the e-stop? Maybe something happened to the DCS signal from the TIU or the engine's ability to recognize the signal if there was a significant short.

Ed Kaz

Ed, yes the e-stop was for crash prevention into track bumper. It seems since then, Fixed 1 does not function properly. Also, I never realized that when using Fixed 2, an external power supply must be used. Any way I ma going to try the suggestion from gunrunnerjohn re: the DCS step up. I just really hate the fact that I have package this TIU up and send it back to MTH. I also tried to get another TIU from my train shop while I was working on this one, but they are not getting any in until March.

Also. I have tried 2 other engines with the same situation on fixed 1.

If you want to send it to me, I should be able to turn it around faster than MTH.  E-mail is in my profile.  G

Ed,

I cannot seem to get your email

Gunnruuner John,

I tried the DCS setup however; issue still the same on fixed 1. Fixed 2 is good, I can add engines etc. Something happened to fixed 1. Thanks again

Al

I would send it to GGG to fix. He worked on an engine board that I blew up and got it back very quickly.

Ed

If the DCS generator for Fixed 1 is out, it's a pretty easy fix.

Can someone tell me how to get an email address via the profile I cannot seem to get GGG Email

Click on GGG and then scroll down a bit and look to the right under extended profile.

ok I got thanks