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Soo Line posted:

Okay....following this with interest.  Novice in this area   Hopefully I'm on base here...........?

I have the MTH WIFI installed and working well.

I have a Lionel Sensor track installed with an SER 2.

The 9 pin serial port on the TIU is of course available.  (My TIU is new - Rev L)

However, I have a TPC 400 using the 9 pin serial port on the SER 2.

Therefore I cannot hook up the TIU 9 pin to the SER 2 - 9 pin.

I believe an MTH 50-1032 is recommended between the TIU and the SER 2.

How would I solve this?

Thanks Guys

Dave

 

 

 

Get a second SER2 for the TIU or use the screw connections for the TPC and 9pin for the TIU.  The SER2 is the least expensive LCS module so that may be the easiest route.  Just add it to the PDI buss.

From the Lionel Manual for the SER2...

You may use either the three screw terminal connector or the DB9 connector
on one SER2. You may use both the DB9 and the comm/output screw terminals
simultaneously. However, if your configuration requires using the SER2's INPUT
screw terminal as well as the output, you cannot simultaneously use the DB9
connector. In this case, add an additional SER2 module to your layout.

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Thanks Marty and Barry.......there are screw connections on the SER 2 so I guess it would not hurt to try that first while waiting for another SER2 and cable.

I would like to know how well you find control of Legacy engines with the MTH Wifi.

My searching does not seem to yield info on this.

Do you have the Legacy Quillable whistle and Labour Up with especially steam?

Thank You

 

Soo Line posted:

Thanks Marty and Barry.......there are screw connections on the SER 2 so I guess it would not hurt to try that first while waiting for another SER2 and cable.

I would like to know how well you find control of Legacy engines with the MTH Wifi.

I've found it very good and intuitive.  It works very well.  MTH did a nice job on it.

My searching does not seem to yield info on this.

Do you have the Legacy Quillable whistle and Labour Up with especially steam?

The whistle does quill.  Most of the Legacy functionality is there.  You can labor up but I believe at this point you have to do this manually as there isn't a "Train Brake" control but Barry can comment better as I have had limited exposure to the app so far as Legacy is concerned.

Thank You

 

 

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IMG_2378MartyE posted:
Soo Line posted:

Thanks Marty and Barry.......there are screw connections on the SER 2 so I guess it would not hurt to try that first while waiting for another SER2 and cable.

I would like to know how well you find control of Legacy engines with the MTH Wifi.

I've found it very good and intuitive.  It works very well.  MTH did a nice job on it.

My searching does not seem to yield info on this.

Do you have the Legacy Quillable whistle and Labour Up with especially steam?

The whistle does quill.  Most of the Legacy functionality is there.  You can labor up but I believe at this point you have to do this manually as there isn't a "Train Brake" control but Barry can comment better as I have had limited exposure to the app so far as Legacy is concerned.

Thank You

 

 

Actually, within engine settings, within the speed control category, there is a labor bias setting that seems to have a similar effect to a train brake in enhancing labor effects on a loco. 

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At the risk of having missed something blatant.... on page 10 the diagram seems to indicate that the "one wire" for digital signal comes off the AC brick for the 6-81499. I looked through the document for other references to "AC" or the use of "one wire" in section two but came up short. Looking at the pictures of the 6-81499 I don't see any indicator of where I could pull the digital signal off of. (And kinda feel like it would be a bad idea anyways. Can one of you learned gentlemen (and ladies of of course) tell me what I overlooked?

Hi Barry,

I'm about to hook up DCS wifi and replace my TMCC with Legacy.  Also going to add Lionel wifi.  Thanks for your Companions and the addendum, they are always very helpful.  I'm a little confused regarding the AC block in figures A9 and A10 in the addendum.  I couldn't find any reference in the addendum to define AC.  Is that the Legacy power adapter or is it the train transformer ?   Maybe I missed the reference.  Also the "one wire" shown in the figures I presume is the Legacy signal wire coming from the Legacy Command Base post ?  Should the figures show the "one wire" coming from the Legacy Command Base instead of AC ?   Thanks for the help.

shorling posted:

Hi Barry,

I'm about to hook up DCS wifi and replace my TMCC with Legacy.  Also going to add Lionel wifi.  Thanks for your Companions and the addendum, they are always very helpful.  I'm a little confused regarding the AC block in figures A9 and A10 in the addendum.  I couldn't find any reference in the addendum to define AC.  Is that the Legacy power adapter or is it the train transformer ?   Maybe I missed the reference.  Also the "one wire" shown in the figures I presume is the Legacy signal wire coming from the Legacy Command Base post ?  Should the figures show the "one wire" coming from the Legacy Command Base instead of AC ?   Thanks for the help.

The "one wire" should come from the Legacy Base binding post to the outside rail  or common directly.  The AC block looks like it does represent the LCS power supply and has no connection to the track only to the 9 pin base connection and the PDI buss for LCS.  I suspect that the drawing could be in error and the line to the outside rail should be shown going to the Legacy base direct.

Below is how I suspect Barry meant to illustrate page 9.  If Barry finds it in error he can contact me and I'll remove this.  It shows the "one wire" going from the outside rail directly to the Legacy Base binding post. I believe the error came from page 5 possible copy and paste.  This should also be correct for page 10 minus the LCS WiFi module.

DCS

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MartyE posted:
shorling posted:

Hi Barry,

I'm about to hook up DCS wifi and replace my TMCC with Legacy.  Also going to add Lionel wifi.  Thanks for your Companions and the addendum, they are always very helpful.  I'm a little confused regarding the AC block in figures A9 and A10 in the addendum.  I couldn't find any reference in the addendum to define AC.  Is that the Legacy power adapter or is it the train transformer ?   Maybe I missed the reference.  Also the "one wire" shown in the figures I presume is the Legacy signal wire coming from the Legacy Command Base post ?  Should the figures show the "one wire" coming from the Legacy Command Base instead of AC ?   Thanks for the help.

The "one wire" should come from the Legacy Base binding post to the outside rail  or common directly.  The AC block looks like it does represent the LCS power supply and has no connection to the track only to the 9 pin base connection and the PDI buss for LCS.  I suspect that the drawing could be in error and the line to the outside rail should be shown going to the Legacy base direct.

Below is how I suspect Barry meant to illustrate page 9.  If Barry finds it in error he can contact me and I'll remove this.  It shows the "one wire" going from the outside rail directly to the Legacy Base binding post. I believe the error came from page 5 possible copy and paste.  This should also be correct for page 10 minus the LCS WiFi module.

DCS

Thanks MartyE !!  Your revised drawing looks more like I would expect with the "One Wire" coming off the Command Base binding post and the LCS AC power adapter feeding the Command Base.  I think Figure A10 also needs similar revision.

Well I received the last piece of the network and am presently running a Legacy diesel via my tablet and MTH WIFI.  Easy to load and basic systems are running fine.  Horn is quillable.  I have not gone into any deeper actions yet.....you have to play with it. 

My first question.....AUX 1 on this system does not start Sequence Control. 

Anyone know how or if this can be done?

Thanks

Dave

Thanks Rudy

I have Legacy and am familiar with the extended press of Aux 1 for Sequence.

While attempting Sequence on the tablet using MTH WIFI.....an extended press of Aux 1 does not activate Sequence.....I've also tried several other wild guesses to no avail.

Maybe Sequence is not available via the MTH WIFI way?

Dave

Understood..............Holding the Aux 1 down for extended time does not activate Sequence.

I tried "tapping" it several times but that does not work either.  All it does is change the screen.....sort of like Aux 1 "off" - Aux 1 "on" and so forth.

We need a manual........................ 

Thanks Guys

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Soo Line posted:

Well I received the last piece of the network and am presently running a Legacy diesel via my tablet and MTH WIFI.  Easy to load and basic systems are running fine.  Horn is quillable.  I have not gone into any deeper actions yet.....you have to play with it. 

My first question.....AUX 1 on this system does not start Sequence Control. 

Anyone know how or if this can be done?

Thanks

Dave

Dave, 

I see you are one of the few people actually running a Legacy diesel using a tablet and the MTH app. Do your diesel RPM's ramp up and down automatically? If this function does work correctly, are you using the Android version of the app? This function does not work on the iphone version of the app.

Greg

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Greg

I'm using Android and no, I have to manually ramp up if I choose to.

As well, Sequence does not work and the Braking Sounds do not come on when using the MTH network.

I'm sure there are other missing effects that will come to light as we all "tinker" with this setup.

I hope MTH plans to upgrade the APP.  Maybe Barry will have some news for us after York.

For now.....I really like this method of operating my Legacy engines.  I no longer need to switch from MTH to Lionel remotes!

My next thing to try will be the Lionel TMCC Crane and Boom car.

Most recently I tried the Lionel Tie Jector car and it works nicely using the "smoke" button to activate the disposal of the ties.

Overall at this point.....very pleased I took this route.

Dave

Barry,

Thank You for your help. My Laptop is acting up a little, so I downloaded this file to my work computer and printed the same.

And, just in case, I deleted the file after I e-mailed the same to my Laptop.

Now, I have to wait for the new Printed & E-Mail Version of the 2nd. Edition of the DCS Companion with the

 WiFi Information added.

Wally,

Which system is best for me at this stage?  A TMCC setup or Legacy?

If you don't plan on getting Legacy engines down the road, or if you believe that you'll be happy running Legacy engines as if they were TMCC engines, without the Legacy-only features, then get TMCC. Otherwise, I'd suggest that you purchase a Legacy system. 

I guess I'm a little late to this party, but I don't see how you connect the Lionel Legacy Base and the WIU to share the TIU RS-232 Serial Port?   Nowhere in the Addendum is the WIU even pictured.  What cable or combination of cables do we use for that?

Pictured below is my 14 year collection of cables.  The top one worked well to run TMCC Cab-1 with DCS back in the day.  The bottom cable was supposed to let Cab-1 and Legacy play with DCS but I could never get it to work properly.  I could not run TMCC trains with my DCS remote using the Legacy for TMCC control.

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That is the cable pictured at the bottom of my photo.  That was designed to connect CAB-1 and Legacy and the TIU so you could use both the Cab-1 and Legacy remotes.  Problem is the pin out on that is not a direct path to each connector.  Some of the pins are dead ends.    I cannot find any type of three-way DB-9 serial connector on Amazon or in Google.   I could make one, but should I really have to do that?  Do you have a link you could share?

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