GGD Considering Shorties For Some Famous Trains in Aluminum (GGD FOR O42)

I think it's a great idea and would only enhance your reputation as one of the premier builders of finely detailed model railroad stock but, if you're going to take the plunge, I would consider opening the market up to an even larger pool of potential buyers in the O36/O42  layout range and make them in either 15" or 16" size.

Unfortunately, 18" is still too large for those of us who would love to be able to run scale equipment but simply don't have the available space for a large layout and who would still like to own show-quality pieces.

You need to come up with a Brand new name for this line.  I would not preface it with GGD, you really want to eliminate any confusion with scale and non scale.

yes please offer them, and thanks for asking for our opinions. nice to know a mfg cares enough to ask his customers what they would like. sign of a first rate company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eccentric Crank posted:

You need to come up with a Brand new name for this line.  I would not preface it with GGD, you really want to eliminate any confusion with scale and non scale.

Probably a good idea. However people may not recognize a new name, even if it's from the same manufacturer. So there would be an associated cost to advertise. 

Count me in for 18" passenger cars

Richie C. posted:

I think it's a great idea and would only enhance your reputation as one of the premier builders of finely detailed model railroad stock but, if you're going to take the plunge, I would consider opening the market up to an even larger pool of potential buyers in the O36/O42  layout range and make them in either 15" or 16" size.

Unfortunately, 18" is still too large for those of us who would love to be able to run scale equipment but simply don't have the available space for a large layout and who would still like to own show-quality pieces.

Would you pay the 21" prices for a 16" car though? That would be his issue. Scott has already said the price will be the same, whether 18" or 21" in length.

sdmann posted:

Folks,

We are considering re-releasing some of our famous trains of the past in Aluminum. And due to our ability to make smaller runs in these trains, how popular do you think 18" Shorties in Aluminum would be with all the trimmings? (Flush Windows, Full Interiors with LED Lighting, 10 Figures / car, 042 Compatible, ball bearing journals on every car?

Yes, we would still make the same trains in full Scale Length, at the same time. Just 2 styles, Shorties and Scale.

Considering The Following:

1948 20TH CENTURY LTD. (8 Car Set) + Extras

1948 BROADWAY LTD.  (8 Car Set) + Extras

SP DAYLIGHT WITH ARTICULATED CARS. (10 Car Set), 5 Articulated, 5 Regular.

What yee say to that?

One thing, the cost and the prices would be the same as the full length scale cars we have been offering about $285 / car. Just making them to run on smaller layouts for thee.

Hi Scott! Wonderful idea! I am very much wanting the 1948 Broadway Limited and the 1948 20th Century, possibly the Daylight set too! Please, make them - I beg you!

Golden Gate Short Line!

Norm

Norm posted:

Golden Gate Short Line!

Norm

YES!!!!! Perfect name  Norm!

Norm posted:

Golden Gate Short Line!

Norm

We have a winner here!  That is truly brilliant.

GG1 4877 posted:

Norm posted:

Golden Gate Short Line!

Norm

We have a winner here!  That is truly brilliant.

Yes indeed. 

I cant'run them on 072?  

sdmann posted:

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO IT!

I reallllyyyyy want to pull the trigger on a 12 car 1948 Broadway Limited. But I’m hoping it’s at least a year and a half out! 

greg773 posted:

I reallllyyyyy want to pull the trigger on a 12 car 1948 Broadway Limited. But I’m hoping it’s at least a year and a half out! 

I'm DEFINITELY IN for a 1948 Broadway Limited with Add on cars... I'll find something to sell, even donate blood to make it happen!  

I'd fight somebody way bigger than me for a chance at a rerun of the full size cars as well. 

Maybe we can pool our resources to earn the cash. Maybe an OGR bake sale or bikini car wash? 

BobbyD posted:

Richie C. posted:

I think it's a great idea and would only enhance your reputation as one of the premier builders of finely detailed model railroad stock but, if you're going to take the plunge, I would consider opening the market up to an even larger pool of potential buyers in the O36/O42  layout range and make them in either 15" or 16" size.

Unfortunately, 18" is still too large for those of us who would love to be able to run scale equipment but simply don't have the available space for a large layout and who would still like to own show-quality pieces.

Would you pay the 21" prices for a 16" car though? That would be his issue. Scott has already said the price will be the same, whether 18" or 21" in length.

Personally, I would; but I can certainly understand how someone else might balk at having to pay the same price for a 16" incher as a 21" incher. And, notwithstanding that Scott indicated the pricing would be the same, I can also understand how someone might question whether the manufacturing costs are really the same and whether by keeping the price the same, the manufacturer is simply reaping more profit. In this case, I would say probably not because I assume the cost of new tooling, advertising, etc. would offset any decrease in material and labor costs in manufacturing smaller cars.

greg773 posted:

Maybe we can pool our resources to earn the cash. Maybe an OGR bake sale or bikini car wash? 

Yeah! We can get our wives and girlfriends to do the carwashing, and dancing to get that money! We'll be the best Hubby's in the Universe too... we'll make a great BBQ for the Brass Fundraising , hehehehe 

Richie C. posted:

Personally, I would; but I can certainly understand how someone else might balk at having to pay the same price for a 16" incher as a 21" incher. And, notwithstanding that Scott indicated the pricing would be the same, I can also understand how someone might question whether the manufacturing costs are really the same and whether by keeping the price the same, the manufacturer is simply reaping more profit. In this case, I would say probably not because I assume the cost of new tooling, advertising, etc. would offset any decrease in material and labor costs in manufacturing smaller cars.

Same trucks, same ends, lighting circuit, box, etc. Not sure how much cheaper they'd be to produce. Extrusion tool is the same, just a little less aluminum, paint, people, interior. Need a new length floor!

Frankly, we pay the builder by the car, not whether they are shorter or longer. And we pay the design team per car design, so that's where the extra costs creep in for the 042 design.  But... maybe your right. The non scale cars should be a little less retail than the full scale cars, just to keep the peace.  Where the 042 run helps is in the total quantity. We need at least a 300 car order for all the costs to work.  I'll be putting an ad in the next issue of OGR and on the web site in the coming days. There is very little in tooling costs on Aluminum cars. The main expense is labor. Each car has to be handled by hand, sanded, painted several times to get all the tool marks off. The interiors are all hand assembled, glued, painted. Assembly, all by hand. Decals hand applied. Here's what it looks like at the design studio and production facility.

sdmann posted:

Frankly, we pay the builder by the car, not whether they are shorter or longer. And we pay the design team per car design, so that's where the extra costs creep in for the 042 design.  But... maybe your right. The non scale cars should be a little less retail than the full scale cars, just to keep the peace.  Where the 042 run helps is in the total quantity. We need at least a 300 car order for all the costs to work.  I'll be putting an ad in the next issue of OGR and on the web site in the coming days. There is very little in tooling costs on Aluminum cars. The main expense is labor. Each car has to be handled by hand, sanded, painted several times to get all the tool marks off. The interiors are all hand assembled, glued, painted. Assembly, all by hand. Decals hand applied. Here's what it looks like at the design studio and production facility.

Hi Scott! This is really cool! Looking forward to seeing the ad for the cars, and I will def be reserving a Full size set of the Broadway Limited and 20th Century.

Any idea when we might see these in the future? 2020, or early 2021? David 

This is an excellent idea'.. Example: I just completed a aluminum car kit that was to fit a 42" radius. and it does not.  All materials cost well over $285.00. Not to mention I spent many, many hours building this and it will not take my curves regardless of modifications....  So, I would be interested.  However, as we all know, folks always want more.  So we have Scott's fabulous shorties, but what about motive power.  I would love his engines, but again my curves will not negotiate the 54" and larger radius....

Scott, I guess you forgot us poor Milwaukee Road folks. I have all 072 or more but still think the scale size cars don't look right for my layout. Don

I got the sets up for reserve. But the extra cars I can't get to until tomorrow. The internet cuts out once everyone wakes up around here. I reduced the price / car $15 for the shorter cars and limited the O42 sets to 6 car each, and full scale sets to 8 cars each. And with the choices of extra cars, most everyone will be able to put together a train that fits their needs.

Wow, what an amazing layout... Sure the Hiawatha Cars are going to look awesome there...

http://www.goldengatedepot.com...ervation.html#GGDO42

Enjoy,

Scott Mann

Richie C. posted:

BobbyD posted:

Richie C. posted:

I think it's a great idea and would only enhance your reputation as one of the premier builders of finely detailed model railroad stock but, if you're going to take the plunge, I would consider opening the market up to an even larger pool of potential buyers in the O36/O42  layout range and make them in either 15" or 16" size.

Unfortunately, 18" is still too large for those of us who would love to be able to run scale equipment but simply don't have the available space for a large layout and who would still like to own show-quality pieces.

Would you pay the 21" prices for a 16" car though? That would be his issue. Scott has already said the price will be the same, whether 18" or 21" in length.

Personally, I would; but I can certainly understand how someone else might balk at having to pay the same price for a 16" incher as a 21" incher. And, notwithstanding that Scott indicated the pricing would be the same, I can also understand how someone might question whether the manufacturing costs are really the same and whether by keeping the price the same, the manufacturer is simply reaping more profit. In this case, I would say probably not because I assume the cost of new tooling, advertising, etc. would offset any decrease in material and labor costs in manufacturing smaller cars.

Advocating cost per inch of car length? How is the cost of three fewer inches of extrusion, a few fewer windows, and a few less seats supposed to result in a noticeably lower cost?

scott is that 300 cars or sets?

300 Cars are the minimum order for the factory to produce 1 road name.

scale rail posted:

Scott, I guess you forgot us poor Milwaukee Road folks. I have all 072 or more but still think the scale size cars don't look right for my layout. Don

Okay, we need to see more photos of this exquisite layout and the GGD equipment on it'... Pleaseeeeeeeeee.......

Will the SP daylight cars have ribbed or smooth sides and if ribbed will some be lettered Southern Pacific Lines?

Pete

ROFL!

"We are pleased to announce a new Line of Aluminum Cars for those with smaller layouts in O Scale 3 Rail. We are calling it, GGD for O42. Made with the same attention to detal, "

 

sdmann posted:

I got the sets up for reserve. But the extra cars I can't get to until tomorrow. The internet cuts out once everyone wakes up around here. I reduced the price / car $15 for the shorter cars and limited the O42 sets to 6 car each, and full scale sets to 8 cars each. And with the choices of extra cars, most everyone will be able to put together a train that fits their needs.

Wow, what an amazing layout... Sure the Hiawatha Cars are going to look awesome there...

http://www.goldengatedepot.com...ervation.html#GGDO42

Enjoy,

Scott Mann

YAY! Thank you Scott! Beam me aboard!

sdmann posted:

20th Century for me.  Great with VL gray Niagara👍

I have been looking forward to the re-issue of the articulated SP cars for awhile.  Here is a great website with a TON of info about these cars.  Scott, I am eagerly waiting your upload of the extra cars.  I am hoping you will offer a set of articulated chair cars for the head end.  

kevin

T4TT posted:

I have been looking forward to the re-issue of the articulated SP cars for awhile.  Here is a great website with a TON of info about these cars.  Scott, I am eagerly waiting your upload of the extra cars.  I am hoping you will offer a set of articulated chair cars for the head end.  

kevin

Wow what a great site'.. The attention to detail applied to those cars compared to today's traveling, especially on aircraft which is deplorable..

Talk about luxury and first class service and treatment of passengers was outstanding.  As is this web site'...Thanks for posting'....

Wonderful! Put in my reservations for BOTH the Full size Broadway Limited and the Full size 20th Century Limited!

I've added all the extra cars to our web site and database. Reserve away....

http://www.goldengatedepot.com...ervation.html#GGDO42

 

Norton posted:

Will the SP daylight cars have ribbed or smooth sides and if ribbed will some be lettered Southern Pacific Lines?

Pete

You need an answer from the man himself but if based on the same tooling/design as the earlier issue of the scale cars I have several of, they’ll be ribbed and lettered Southern Pacific.