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Hello everyone, I went on a bit of a purchase spree and acquired a number of used PS2 / Legacy engines, a number of them have some quirks I'm looking for help identifying:

- MTH Conrail SD80MAC (PS2) (20-20027-1): This engine runs perfectly fine out of all the used I bought, however it makes a clicking noise on curves near the rear engine, I've found a pickup roller (Farthest to the rear) that is very loose at the base even with the screw tightened down (tried swapping it with a front pickup roller (closest to the front) and both were loose on that pickup spot), is there anything I can do to tighten it up so it doesn't wiggle all over creation? (The frontmost pickup is also a bit loose as well but nowhere near as bad as the furthest rear roller). Could I also just remove that roller and only run with the first 3 to see if that makes a difference?

- Lionel BNSF SD70MAC (LEGACY) (6-81137): Engine was sputtering pretty badly at low speeds (sometimes stopping and rev'ing up on Railsounds till it shoots off), I tried to isolate if an oddy issue by turning off oddy, engine still seems to sputter at low speeds though. (I am using a CAB-1 remote, have read that the CAB-1L performs better at low speed but not sure if that will make a difference - I would just splurge for the #990 if it really makes that much of a difference for low speed ops.) I think it may be the rear truck/motor as it makes a consistent squealing noise going around my test loop. I attempted oiling the roller's / axles but it doesn't seem to make a difference (I'm guessing I will probably need to buy some grease and try greasing the gears). The smoke unit on this seems to get extremely hot as well (I measured ~104 on the plastic on the outside and ~126 at the reservoir), is that a cause for concern or do legacy engines in general run hotter than normal on their smoke units?

- MTH Conrail SD50 (PS2) (20-2578-1): Engine sputters at low speed, although I am guessing it just needs to be greased on gear ports (I tried oiling axles/rollers). It was purchased new and being a 2005 engine sitting in the box for 15 years I assume the grease is all but gone, but wondering if I should look anywhere else (It's a PS2 3V board so hopefully no board issues).

- Lionel CSX SD80MAC (TMCC) (6-18296): Engine smoke unit is not operating at all, when I pulled it open some wires were squished against the frame / rubber piece and flattened out, one of which was going to the smoke unit. (I moved them out of the way but I'm wondering if I should cut them and cap them in between with a replacement wire). It also seems to have issues on O-36 curves despite being rated on O-31 (It derailed and shorted on it's first run around the loop, several subsequent runs at low speed didn't derail), the MTH SD80MAC was able to run circles without issue so I'm wondering if the motor / truck assembly is having trouble turning properly on curves. (MTH truck assembly has the flanged wheels on the outer trucks and non-flanged wheels on inner wheelset, whereas the lionel only has the 2 first wheelsets flanged, so I am wondering if it could be related to that?)

Thanks all for any assistance you can give! I'll be buying grease regardless since I have a feeling that will improve performance on a number of engines I own (Have only ever owned oil for doing pickup roller/axle oiling).

Speaking of grease: are there any recommendations that work well for both lionel/mth?

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On the BNSF I recommend removing the cab, rest the fuel tank up on a small padded box so that the trucks dangle free.  Then use some jumpers to power up the pickup roller and frame so that you can test it.  Watch both motor flywheels to see if they start stop together and remain synchronized.  Look for tires getting caught in the brakes.  Listen for noise as the drive trains should be very quiet 

AS for the MAC, I have seen those coupler cut bars pointing up preventing the cab from swinging above the trucks an causing derailments.  Make sure they are folded down.  Hold the cab and make sure the trucks swivel free.   Since you have no smoke then go ahead and replaced the smashed wire sections.   

@Steims posted:

On the BNSF I recommend removing the cab, rest the fuel tank up on a small padded box so that the trucks dangle free.  Then use some jumpers to power up the pickup roller and frame so that you can test it.  Watch both motor flywheels to see if they start stop together and remain synchronized.  Look for tires getting caught in the brakes.  Listen for noise as the drive trains should be very quiet

Actually, it'll be a rare locomotive that will keep the two truck synchronized.  Only one motor has the speed control, the other motor just gets the same voltage as the speed controlled motor.  Since it's very unlikely the friction in the two gear trains are identical, typically one motor will start before the other one, and running free, it's very unlikely they will be running at the same speed.  This difference isn't significant as far as actual operation with all the wheels on the track as then the wheels on the track synchronize the speeds.

Pulled apart the BNSF, looks like it was the rear lighting cables or the battery attachment piece that was rubbing against the flywheel, some frustrating manue- I mean careful wiring re-arrangement later, and the rear drive is now nice and quiet. Downside is the frame is bent slightly downwards on the front and back, requiring a bit of effort to get the front/rear shell screws in, so one of the screw posts broke (or may have already been broke? was listed as C-8 on ebay but never know) trying to get a screw back in, thankfully the other front screw post is fine.

My next project is to figure out whats causing the clicking on curves from the MTH SD80, is it safe to leave 1 of the 4 pickup rollers removed to test it on track? (The one I would remove being the very very loose pickup roller even though it's screwed in tight)

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Guys ,

Never tried it myself but read where lubes with Teflon should be used carefully around electrical connections.  Apparently Teflon can create insulation between electrical contact areas. 🤔   Any one have any experience using the Teflon lubes ?

SirCaptain , 

for the MTH PS2 engines ........

some people prefer to  keep batteries in the engines .  I like to change out the batteries for BCRs to  eliminate any concerns about battery condition causing issues in the PS2s.

 

@SirCaptain posted:

My next project is to figure out whats causing the clicking on curves from the MTH SD80, is it safe to leave 1 of the 4 pickup rollers removed to test it on track? (The one I would remove being the very very loose pickup roller even though it's screwed in tight)

As long as the pickup wire doesn't short to anything, you can run an engine with any number of rollers greater than zero.  Obviously, with one roller, it'll stop a lot, at least on every switch.

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