RaritanRiverRailroadFan4 posted:I'd like to see Lionel make a legacy 44 Tonner in the PRR scheme. Although Williams made an excellent scale model of the PRR 44 tonner and I suppose I could upgrade it with TMCC. That is if it would fit inside.
This Rich Yoder 44 tonner was upgraded to TMCC with ERR components, has sound and electro-couplers. Tough fit but it can be done.
These have probably been mentioned, but I would be interested in (TMCC of course):
George
G3750 posted:These have probably been mentioned, but I would be interested in (TMCC of course):
- J1
- I1s - with coast-to-coast tender
- N2
- T1
George
Funny thing that few in 3 rail want the short tank even though the coast-to-coast tender was not nearly as common on the day to day PRR freights.
Wished I could find me a few 2 rail I1s with the short tank. Much more common for the PRR grunt work.
I am shocked, shocked to find out that there are PRR locomotives that the manufacturers haven't made. 
That HC-1 is a mighty beast, though. I like it.
Now before y'all jump down my throat about it, I am perfectly aware that just about every manufacturer has made a K4s. As they should; it's a beautiful locomotive. It's proportioned properly, the high drivers are quite pleasing to the eye, and as far as models are concerned, they usually can negotiate tighter curves than some of the bigger Pennsy steam, making them much more appealing to guys with smaller layouts.
That being said, I personally would like to see at least a few of the "upgraded" K4's. For example, K4s #5371, upgraded with Timken roller bearings and lightweight Timken rods. 
Other mmodifications on various engines included Scullin disc drivers, poppet valve gear, coast-to-coast tenders (which Lionel recently released, thank you for doing something different) Franklin trailing truck boosters, and "elephant ear" smoke deflectors.
Modification of existing tooling to produce these upgraded versions realistically would not be that difficult, nor that expensive. I know they can nake modular tooling to allow for prototype-specific details; Lionel did it a few years back on their version of the NYC's streamlined Empire State Express. So why can't somebody do it for the always-popular K4s (to you manufacturers out there, I smell a profit here, guys)?
Anyway, that's my bit. Didn't mean to get on the ol' soapbox.
prrhorseshoecurve posted:The head end cars I would like to see is the re-issue of Weaver's B60b baggage. Who has this tooling?
Ron
TCA, TTOS, NCT, LCCAI believe that would be Atlas O since it was a foreign made car.
Thank you.
May be off topic, but a question on the RPO version of the Weaver B60. Were there any prototype PRR RPO cars like this ever made, or is this a fantasy car? I have not found any data on a PRR 60' RPO.
If the Weaver RPO was based on a real car, then I'd like to see those produced again too.
CAPPilot posted:prrhorseshoecurve posted:The head end cars I would like to see is the re-issue of Weaver's B60b baggage. Who has this tooling?
Ron
TCA, TTOS, NCT, LCCAI believe that would be Atlas O since it was a foreign made car.
Thank you.
May be off topic, but a question on the RPO version of the Weaver B60. Were there any prototype PRR RPO cars like this ever made, or is this a fantasy car? I have not found any data on a PRR 60' RPO.
If the Weaver RPO was based on a real car, then I'd like to see those produced again too.
Hi Ron,
The PRR did not have an RPO based on the B60. PRR's closest equivalent was the M70 RPO based off the P70 cars. however Weaver 60' RPO is correct for the most part for the Norfolk and Western.
CAPPilot posted:prrhorseshoecurve posted:GG1 4877 posted:
Too add to my list if we are talking rolling stock:
F70FBr coachesWhat is an F70 FBr?
A rerun of GGD head end cars and maybe the D78 dinerAgreed!
I think he means a P70fbR (letters the way the Pennsy did it). It was one of the many rebuilds of the P70 done from 1948 to 1951, and a fairly successful one at that due to new trucks and interior. Some had the clerestory roof, some didn't. All pictures of it I have seen had the original window arrangement. This could be an easy car for GGD to do since I think only the trucks need to be changed to give it the look.
The head end cars I would like to see is the re-issue of Weaver's B60b baggage. Who has this tooling?
The P70far (Thanks for the correction Ron) was different that the as built P70 in a few significant ways.
The restooms were all placed at one end of the car and enlarged. the last set of windows was modified to blank one window and put the porthole window in the opening closest to the vestibules.
The doors at the vestibules had modernized single lite windows.
The equipment layout under the car changed.
The classic 2D-P5 trucks got changed to GSC style C41 streamlined trucks.
Most received arched tops.
Those of us who rode P70's in the 60's or 70's and very early 80's in my case probably rode in this variant.
The only PRR I still need in my collection is the 5 stripe green A-A Centipede. And I want it in Legacy, but I missed the only Lionel offering as I wasn't really in the hobby at that point.
sinclair posted:The only PRR I still need in my collection is the 5 stripe green A-A Centipede. And I want it in Legacy, but I missed the only Lionel offering as I wasn't really in the hobby at that point.
Post a wanted ad that you need the Centipede, offer close to original MSRP and I'll bet you'll have one in no time!
a question on the RPO version of the Weaver B60. Were there any prototype PRR RPO cars like this ever made,
or is this a fantasy car? I have not found any data on a PRR 60' RPO.
The Weaver B60 is a fantasy. The prr had the M70b which as longer.
GG1 4877 posted:CAPPilot posted:prrhorseshoecurve posted:GG1 4877 posted:
Too add to my list if we are talking rolling stock:
F70FBr coachesWhat is an F70 FBr?
A rerun of GGD head end cars and maybe the D78 dinerAgreed!
I think he means a P70fbR (letters the way the Pennsy did it). It was one of the many rebuilds of the P70 done from 1948 to 1951, and a fairly successful one at that due to new trucks and interior. Some had the clerestory roof, some didn't. All pictures of it I have seen had the original window arrangement. This could be an easy car for GGD to do since I think only the trucks need to be changed to give it the look.
The head end cars I would like to see is the re-issue of Weaver's B60b baggage. Who has this tooling?
The P70far (Thanks for the correction Ron) was different that the as built P70 in a few significant ways.
The restooms were all placed at one end of the car and enlarged. the last set of windows was modified to blank one window and put the porthole window in the opening closest to the vestibules.
The doors at the vestibules had modernized single lite windows.
The equipment layout under the car changed.
The classic 2D-P5 trucks got changed to GSC style C41 streamlined trucks.
Most received arched tops.
Those of us who rode P70's in the 60's or 70's and very early 80's in my case probably rode in this variant.
Jonathan,
The P70faR (modernized) was made by GGD. You can buy a separate roof for GGD's original P70 to make it into a P70fR (I've done this to two cars). The P70fbR, as far as I know, has not been made in O gauge. There are many variants of the P70 and it would be nice if more variants were made.
GG1 4877 posted:CAPPilot posted:prrhorseshoecurve posted:The head end cars I would like to see is the re-issue of Weaver's B60b baggage. Who has this tooling?
Ron
TCA, TTOS, NCT, LCCAI believe that would be Atlas O since it was a foreign made car.
Thank you.
May be off topic, but a question on the RPO version of the Weaver B60. Were there any prototype PRR RPO cars like this ever made, or is this a fantasy car? I have not found any data on a PRR 60' RPO.
If the Weaver RPO was based on a real car, then I'd like to see those produced again too.
Hi Ron,
The PRR did not have an RPO based on the B60. PRR's closest equivalent was the M70 RPO based off the P70 cars. however Weaver 60' RPO is correct for the most part for the Norfolk and Western.
Jonathan,
Thank you. I was pretty sure that was a fantasy car.
I guess at this point the only prototype PRR RPO available in O gauge is the GGD BM70. Checking my books, the GGD RPO looks like a BM70k due to only 3 closely spaced windows per side. I have several of these GGD models and need to change the car number on most of them since GGD only did two numbers.
So, to add to the list of PRR items I want is a different version of the BM70. GGD should be able to do a BM70ka with a modification of their current mold. A BM70m with multiple windows per side would be nice too and looks a lot different than the BM70k.
CAPPilot posted:GG1 4877 posted:CAPPilot posted:prrhorseshoecurve posted:GG1 4877 posted:
Too add to my list if we are talking rolling stock:
F70FBr coachesWhat is an F70 FBr?
A rerun of GGD head end cars and maybe the D78 dinerAgreed!
I think he means a P70fbR (letters the way the Pennsy did it). It was one of the many rebuilds of the P70 done from 1948 to 1951, and a fairly successful one at that due to new trucks and interior. Some had the clerestory roof, some didn't. All pictures of it I have seen had the original window arrangement. This could be an easy car for GGD to do since I think only the trucks need to be changed to give it the look.
The head end cars I would like to see is the re-issue of Weaver's B60b baggage. Who has this tooling?
The P70far (Thanks for the correction Ron) was different that the as built P70 in a few significant ways.
The restooms were all placed at one end of the car and enlarged. the last set of windows was modified to blank one window and put the porthole window in the opening closest to the vestibules.
The doors at the vestibules had modernized single lite windows.
The equipment layout under the car changed.
The classic 2D-P5 trucks got changed to GSC style C41 streamlined trucks.
Most received arched tops.
Those of us who rode P70's in the 60's or 70's and very early 80's in my case probably rode in this variant.
Jonathan,
The P70faR (modernized) was made by GGD. You can buy a separate roof for GGD's original P70 to make it into a P70fR (I've done this to two cars). The P70fbR, as far as I know, has not been made in O gauge. There are many variants of the P70 and it would be nice if more variants were made.
OOPS! I mistyped that. I meant the P70fbr. I should know better on the P70far's. I did the master graphics for them! That's what I get for trying to access this forum through my cell phone.
Bob posted:sinclair posted:The only PRR I still need in my collection is the 5 stripe green A-A Centipede. And I want it in Legacy, but I missed the only Lionel offering as I wasn't really in the hobby at that point.
Post a wanted ad that you need the Centipede, offer close to original MSRP and I'll bet you'll have one in no time!
Nice, Bob!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKtwlHV1-O8
George
D500 posted:Above:
Holy ESE, Batman - that's the New York Central 999 Buchanan-design Eight-Wheeler, the Empire State Express record-setter. In Pennsy drag.
MTH, that is upsetting on so many levels.
Agreed. That is heresy! 
George
Ron,
Sunset Models did an accurate PRR BM70 postal car in brass a couple of years ago and did it in both tuscan and Fleet of Modernism paint schemes. It was available in both 2 and 3 rail.
Not a PRR fan, especially their diesels with their bland colors, but I believe every railroad modeler should own a PRR T1. IMO, a must own American steam locomotive. Its perfect symmetry and contours are unsurpassed by any locomotive before or past.
TM Terry posted:Not a PRR fan, especially their diesels with their bland colors, but I believe every railroad modeler should own a PRR T1. IMO, a must own American steam locomotive. Its perfect symmetry and contours are unsurpassed by any locomotive before or past.
Well,,,,,,,,I guess that is ONE opinion!
rheil posted:Ron,
Sunset Models did an accurate PRR BM70 postal car in brass a couple of years ago and did it in both tuscan and Fleet of Modernism paint schemes. It was available in both 2 and 3 rail.
RHEIL,
Thank you! I knew 3rd Rail did a brass Harriman 70' RPO, similar to GGD's plastic one, but I did not know about the brass BM70. Did a search and found a 2-rail version (not cheap) and it is a BM70m. Now if I can find a 3-rail version that would be great. Probably will wipe out the rest of my 2017 train budget but you only live once.
Still would like to see some more BM70 cars made. ADDED: I want them as separate sale items, not as part of a set with another combine (maybe with just the baggage). Hopefully Scott reads this.
CAPPilot postedStill would like to see some more BM70 cars made. ADDED: I want them as separate sale items, not as part of a set with another combine (maybe with just the baggage). Hopefully Scott reads this.
Ron,
The Sunset BM70 was a separate sale item. As I recall it listed for $400 .
Scott reads the OGR forum but frequently relies on many others (including me on rare occasion) to respond to questions. Scott refers to me as his "east coast representative" as I do some work for Sunset / GGD including setting up and displaying at numerous 2 rail shows except O Scale West. I do display at York in the Orange Hall.
I refer to my self as an old train person who worked for the Pennsylvania Railroad / Penn Central and the Steam Locomotive Corporation of America (Ross Rowland). Although I have an O scale "Christmas " garden that I keep up year round my true interest was real trains.
Robert Heil ----- Sunset Models/ 3rd Rail / Golden Gate Depot
Originally posted by Rheil:
Ron,
The Sunset BM70 was a separate sale item. As I recall it listed for $400 .
Was that a 2 rail model only or a three rail model as well?
How about a separate sale coast to coast with both infrared and tether and I will make the combination I want.
G3750 posted:Bob posted:sinclair posted:The only PRR I still need in my collection is the 5 stripe green A-A Centipede. And I want it in Legacy, but I missed the only Lionel offering as I wasn't really in the hobby at that point.
Post a wanted ad that you need the Centipede, offer close to original MSRP and I'll bet you'll have one in no time!
Nice, Bob!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKtwlHV1-O8
George
Why would I do that to get a used one when I can still get a new one at MSRP. But I don't need Vision Line, just Legacy sound and control. And minus those loud roof fans.
prrhorseshoecurve posted:
Was that a 2 rail model only or a three rail model as well?
It was available in both 2 and 3 rail and either solid tuscan or Fleet of Modernism paint.
How about a LionMaster sized Decapod with the standard short tender.
My biggest curve is O-36 so my biggest constraint is the minimum radius. I'd love to see Lionel re-release the Lionmaster T1. (I don't have one.)
And although I have a conventional GG1, I'd like to find an O-36-friendly GG1 with Legacy or PS3 - maybe a Lionmaster GG1, Lionel? The first electric Lionmaster? They might even throw in that new arcing feature they developed for the VisionLine version.
Of secondary priority: I like the "weird" PRR electrics - the BB1, DD1, etc. - but the one I'd be most interested in finding would be an L5 that can take O-36 curves.
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